Test prop: ED vs. EOD, advantages/disadvantages? Kick-starting?

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

My first cycle commences in a few days. Quick review:

Age: 31
Weight 205, bf 13%
First cycle 525 mg per week Test Prop, 75 mg ED Var, a-dex during cycle, HCG last few weeks of cycle, clomid/nolva PCT (all items in hand before starting cycle)

Question is about Test Prop pinning 75mg every day versus 150mg every other day and kick-starting the cycle. I will have pharma grade Test Prop. 75mg is such a small inject, I'm wondering if I would build up too much scar tissue with daily pins? Will the Prop be any less effective on a EOD basis at 150mg? Would obviously be less pinning there and a time saver. I'd like to know if there is a real advantage to pinning ED other than a reduction in so-called "prop pain"?? I'm planning on warming the prop under semi-hot faucet water for a few minutes before injecting. I may go with some sterile grapefruit seed oil if the prop is too nasty.

2nd question: kick-starting? Should I do 1000 mg of prop first week then drop to 525 mg per week? Advantages/disadvantages? No d-bol on hand, just wanna go strictly prop and var. Bloating and water retention kept at a minimum. Thanks, brothers (and sisters).

[Ernst]

There is no real need to kickstart or frontload prop. By all means run something alongside if you wish. As for ED vs EOD... seems to be a personal preference. Obviously ED will result in more stable/consistent levels. I know of at least one person who prefers ED for that reason, claiming it produces less sides for them. I've only tried EOD and it's done just fine by me. Be aware of injection volume. If you have to cut it to make it bearable ED may be preferred for that reason if no other. As for prop pain, some are evil, some aren't. I only ever warm the oil if thickness is an issue.

Sorry, how tall were you? How long was this cycle? Were you planning to run var from start to finish? Just at the end or beginning? What exactly are your goals here?

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

There is no real need to kickstart or frontload prop. By all means run something alongside if you wish. As for ED vs EOD... seems to be a personal preference. Obviously ED will result in more stable/consistent levels. I know of at least one person who prefers ED for that reason, claiming it produces less sides for them. I've only tried EOD and it's done just fine by me. Be aware of injection volume. If you have to cut it to make it bearable ED may be preferred for that reason if no other. As for prop pain, some are evil, some aren't. I only ever warm the oil if thickness is an issue.

Sorry, how tall were you? How long was this cycle? Were you planning to run var from start to finish? Just at the end or beginning? What exactly are your goals here?

The stuff I will have will be 100mg / ml. If I do 75mg a day with .75 ml of sterile grape seed oil, that should dull pain nagging pain from the prop. Is that what you meant by "be aware of injection volume"?

6'1" is my height. 10 weeks Test Prop / Var is the cycle. Yes on running Var from start to finish. Not worried about sides. Goal is to end cycle at 215 lbs and 10% bodyfat. Lofty? Perhaps. We'll see. Thoughts?

[stpete]

EOD is fine, but don't go farther than that....If you're concerned about the pain, why not go w/ cyp or test e?

[Ernst]

When I said to be aware injection volume I just didn't know the concentration of your gear. Add oil to cut it and maybe you end up with a lot of oil in that shot... just checking. Pain and/or scarring can be related to injection volume as well.

Really I would recommend test only for a first cycle. If you insist on var I would at least wait until a couple weeks in to start it so you have some time to gauge your reaction to the test. 75mg is high side for a first run with var, or just about any other oral, but I totally understand you not wishing to waste time and money on a lower dose with all the feedback out there regarding var. Still, I'd probably just recommend once again to save it for later... I think your goals are within reach without it anyway. It's not always just a question of sides.

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

When I said to be aware injection volume I just didn't know the concentration of your gear. Add oil to cut it and maybe you end up with a lot of oil in that shot... just checking. Pain and/or scarring can be related to injection volume as well.

You think I'm good with ED injects at the mentioned concentration? Think I'll need to cut it 1:1 with grapefruit seed oil?

Yeah, I am insisting on Var. Hopefully, by cycling properly, I will not lose the benefits of Test/Var later on. 10 weeks on cycle, 4 week pct, then I'm all natural for at least 4 months before next cycle. Very interested to see where my strength goes during this cycle. I'm currently moving about 225 lbs on the flat bench press for 8 reps. I want to stay in the 8-10 rep range and move up in weights. I'm not trying to blow out a pec muscle on this cycle. ha

[Ernst]

I've never had an issue with prop pain really. Some soreness, but nothing to worry about. Will you? I don't know. I don't know your gear. Just remember you're going to have some extra pain and soreness for a bit at the start as a result of shooting virgin muscle, so reserve some judgement on the prop. I'd definitely wait and see before considering cutting it.

[baseline_9]

Shoot it ED and you will much prefer it, halving the volume will make the shot less painfull the nxt day.

150 mg of test prop made me want to pack this whole thing up LOL, im now sticking to 75mg ED the pain is less, hopefully my virgin muscles become used to it soon

[AlphaMaleDawg]

just gotta man up and stick it every day. I tried to weasel my way out of it too but ended up saying fukc it and pinned every day

[baseline_9]

just gotta man up and stick it every day. I tried to weasel my way out of it too but ended up saying fukc it and pinned every day

I think what people dont realise is that the pain etc is worse EOD than ED

The pinning isnt painfull, i mean u cant even feel it LOL

[fastR6]

EOD is fine, but don't go farther than that....If you're concerned about the pain, why not go w/ cyp or test e?

totally agree with stpete, eod is all you need for prop