The young and Steroids

[numbere]

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most people my age will just say, yeah whateva..
so i would recommend putting down both options, let them know the details of ages n effects but also give them a cycle that they can use, and if they use properly they will not be in the way of any harm, i know people who supply heavy anabolics for first time users. i recommend just put up a cycle, very easy to understand as if a 12yr old was reading, including how much to eat, what to eat and what not to eat for either gaining just muscle, just bulk or inbetween,(sounds bad) but its better than getting it from black market and having no idea of whats happening. thankyou.

I would recommend that if you would like to see a thread written to spoon feed young men how to cycle that you do the research and compile it yourself. You can be the forum's specialist on cycling with an undeveloped endocrine system. No no one on this forum who fully comprehends the dangers of cycling at young age would make a thread like that because it completely undermines the morals of this board. There are many reasons why this is the best AAS forum on the internet. One of those reasons is the overlying stance on AAS use and the young. You may be aware of the risks but you don't fully understand them because if you did then you would know there is no such thing as safe cycling at a young age. Welcome to the forum!

[marcus300]

Do you honestly think that someone like myself can look like someone like Batista naturally? Even with proper diet and training? Pfft, sure, whatever.
I understand what you're getting at, but I have my doubts

That comment clearly comes from someone who has no idea how to really train to failure and go beyond the pain threshold and I also suspect you have no idea how to eat to build mass/size. Takes years of practise and your just at the pre-cum stage. Learn how to train properly and a whole new world will open

[MalignantTyrant]

That comment clearly comes from someone who has no idea how to really train to failure and go beyond the pain threshold and I also suspect you have no idea how to eat to build mass/size. Takes years of practise and your just at the pre-cum stage. Learn how to train properly and a whole new world will open

OK, but I still doubt I'll get anywhere near that naturally...

[marcus300]

OK, but I still doubt I'll get anywhere near that naturally...

It's about starting steroids to young not if you can achieve that without them. Most younger newbies have no idea how to eat or train.

Why don't you post a picture lots see what you got

[MalignantTyrant]

It's about starting steroids to young not if you can achieve that without them. Most younger newbies have no idea how to eat or train.

Why don't you post a picture lots see what you got

ehhh, I look exceptionally shitty but why not...
here you go.

That's a result of roughly 5 1/2 years of training at 20 years old. I put on around 15 pounds since last year and I still look like shit lol
Trust me, I look a bit better in person.

[Men in Black]

ehhh, I look exceptionally shitty but why not...
here you go.

That's a result of roughly 5 1/2 years of training at 20 years old. I put on around 15 pounds since last year and I still look like shit lol
Trust me, I look a bit better in person.

wtf 5 and a half years??
Just cycle srs, These guys won't be any help so just read up and know when the sides are appearing.

[lovbyts]

ehhh, I look exceptionally shitty but why not...
here you go.

That's a result of roughly 5 1/2 years of training at 20 years old. I put on around 15 pounds since last year and I still look like shit lol
Trust me, I look a bit better in person.

Best thing you can do is to spend most of your time in the Diet and nutrition center and training section. You have to have a solid base before considering doing aas.

[Cuz]

ehhh, I look exceptionally shitty but why not...
here you go.

That's a result of roughly 5 1/2 years of training at 20 years old. I put on around 15 pounds since last year and I still look like shit lol
Trust me, I look a bit better in person.

Not hating bro but something is not working right in your diet and training regime. 5 years? I dont think you are taking it very seriously if its been that long. Keep reading and get some on to teach you how to train.

[MalignantTyrant]

damn, back to the drawing board
Honestly, I was a late bloomer so that probably had something to do with it but I'm not sure really.

[MalignantTyrant]

wtf 5 and a half years??
Just cycle srs, These guys won't be any help so just read up and know when the sides are appearing.

that's what I plan on doing eventually

[N8.]

Great read Marcus. Thanks! I'll refer back to this thread anytime I am so inclined to do so.

[MalignantTyrant]

Not hating bro but something is not working right in your diet and training regime. 5 years? I dont think you are taking it very seriously if its been that long. Keep reading and get some on to teach you how to train.

Nope, it isn't that I'm not taking it seriously. It probably is my diet but seeing as how I'm a broke college student I am not going to have a spot on diet. I chalk it up to shitty genetics and painfully slow development...

[Back In Black]

This is getting a timely bump.

[Nij]

Not trying to sound narcissistic, but I think I'm a prime example of how teens/young adults don't really need gear. These results are from about 2 years of cardio here and there, and 6 months of weight training along wight strict dieting. First pic is me at 15/16, second pic is me at 18.

[mauler]

great thread thx

[muskulazio]

thanks for the post marcus

[crypo]

this was a great and help full post

[BigAlbert]

Very nice post from a very well informed man, keep it up

[FluffyBeginner]

Hey guys,

So need a bit of ADVICE ASAP.

So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

Shots 1-3 - 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
Shots 4-6 - 0.75 ml of Test P
After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P - do you think this is too little?

I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

What do you recommend?

PS been injecting into my glutes... is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?


Stats:

Age: 23
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 90kgs
BF: 14%
Training - Strength 531 3 Times week min
Bench: 115kgs
Squat: 120 kgs
DLift: 180 kgs

Anything else I missed?

I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand for PCT but been reading two different sets of advice - running HCG on cycle and waiting until after. Went with my trainers advice and will run after.

Trainers recommendation:
Week 1-4: Use 0.5 ml of 100mg Tets P for tolerance - TWICE A WEEK
Week 5-8 - Double to 1ml of Test P - TWICE A WEEK

Right now can manage only twice due to the pain and logisitics - am moving . But next week thinking of pinning EOD - 3 times a week?

Will only be able to pin again on Wednesday as will be on the road from Thursday to Saturday and tbh been using nurses at clinic to inject me, still got a bit of needle phobia.


Any advice is appreciated

[Khazima]

Hey guys,

So need a bit of ADVICE ASAP.

So read up on your site and found this comment so decided to go for Tesp P, but twice a week injecting.

Just finished my second week got a couple questions:

Shots 1-3 - 0.50 ml of 100mg Test P
Shots 4-6 - 0.75 ml of Test P
After week 3 was planning on upping to 1ml of 100mg Test P - do you think this is too little?

I have been injecting twice a week Monday and Thursday so far, but should I up to 3 times?

What do you recommend?

PS been injecting into my glutes... is it supposed to be painful the next 2 days?


Stats:

Age: 23
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 90kgs
BF: 14%
Training - Strength 531 3 Times week min
Bench: 115kgs
Squat: 120 kgs
DLift: 180 kgs

Anything else I missed?

I have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand for PCT but been reading two different sets of advice - running HCG on cycle and waiting until after. Went with my trainers advice and will run after.

Trainers recommendation:
Week 1-4: Use 0.5 ml of 100mg Tets P for tolerance - TWICE A WEEK
Week 5-8 - Double to 1ml of Test P - TWICE A WEEK

Right now can manage only twice due to the pain and logisitics - am moving . But next week thinking of pinning EOD - 3 times a week?

Will only be able to pin again on Wednesday as will be on the road from Thursday to Saturday and tbh been using nurses at clinic to inject me, still got a bit of needle phobia.


Any advice is appreciated

Your trainer doesn't know what he's talking about. Post your question in the open forum this is a thread.

[lauren94]

Is this the same case for women though? I'm a 20 year old woman.

[Stracize]

I'm so glad i ran into this post. I was on the verge of making a high risk mistake getting into something i have very little knowledge about. I'm only 21 working out for less than a year. I realized while reading this post that instead of finding easier ways to get results quick i should first see how far i can go on my own and maybe later on consider it... Maybe i won't even need it.

Thanks for this post.

[bass]

Is this the same case for women though? I'm a 20 year old woman.

Steroids effect both male and female the same way. But not sure what is the safe age for women to use anabolics.

[bass]

I'm so glad i ran into this post. I was on the verge of making a high risk mistake getting into something i have very little knowledge about. I'm only 21 working out for less than a year. I realized while reading this post that instead of finding easier ways to get results quick i should first see how far i can go on my own and maybe later on consider it... Maybe i won't even need it.

Thanks for this post.

Wise man.

[danieljayy]

Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I've researched I don't think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?

[danieljayy]

Bump for a reply.
Anyone please. Is Clenbuterol and/or T3 ok for under 25s? (Dosed Correctly)_

[Khazima]

Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I've researched I don't think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?

T3 doesn't discriminate between muscle tissue and adipose tissue (fat) so it is catabolic itself more or less, clen is fine but I'd recommend albuterol > clen because it has less sides and is safer as well as works through anabolic pathways helping you maintain muscle easier.

[chrisjayson]

Great read but to get it through to some of these guys I think we need to shorten it, summarize it a bit because you know the attention-span of most kids is about 15 seconds or 2 sentences. LOL

Dough there's any kids on here man, teens maybe but not kids

[chrisjayson]

Great read but to get it through to some of these guys I think we need to shorten it, summarize it a bit because you know the attention-span of most kids is about 15 seconds or 2 sentences. LOL

Dough there's any kids on here man, teens maybe but not kids

[danieljayy]

T3 doesn't discriminate between muscle tissue and adipose tissue (fat) so it is catabolic itself more or less, clen is fine but I'd recommend albuterol > clen because it has less sides and is safer as well as works through anabolic pathways helping you maintain muscle easier.

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. With doing enough research I figured Albuterol is most definitely favoured over Clen , although I am on a budget and couldn't work out what the pricing might be yet. I can get my hands on Clen pretty cheap, do you find albuterol to be more expensive or cheaper in comparison to clen.. Also another question, with Clen/albuterol's anabolic effects doesn't it cancel out T3's catabolic effects?..

[marcus300]

Great Post. Now at age 22 I was looking into doing my first Cycle but have now reconsidered it after reading your Post. But I do have a question.. If I were to lay off AAS until 24 but use Clenbuterol & T3 during cutting phases to give me the extra edge and prevent me from going catabolic, would the same implications apply, or anything else to that matter. I consider myself a newbie to steroids but from what I've researched I don't think these substances has any affect on your natural testosterone levels so the HPTA would be okay. Or would they not?

I wouldn't use any IMHO even though it wont effect your HPTA your far better attack your bf with cardio and diet. Using these two things to manipulate your body into burning fat as fuel is a better way that using compounds straight out. Your also better doing it slowly so address your cardio and tighten your diet up then after a few weeks/months you will hit a wall with your gains so then attack your diet and so on, do things slowly and you will be in a better position in keeping the bf off. There is no magic pill its all hard work and being consistent with your cardio and diet

[Nicky1010]

I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
I'm not here to say you're wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
But.
I haven't started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
What I mean by that - If you're 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don't cycle until you put on some size.

I won't go on and on, but what I'm saying is this.

If you're smart, and you've done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don't be afraid to do it because you're too young. Everyone is different.

[Khazima]

I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
I'm not here to say you're wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
But.
I haven't started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
What I mean by that - If you're 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don't cycle until you put on some size.

I won't go on and on, but what I'm saying is this.

If you're smart, and you've done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don't be afraid to do it because you're too young. Everyone is different.

You said it yourself, everyone is different. That could mean your 4 friends are perfectly fine the way they've done it (that may be another story in 5-10 years) and then boom you're suffering depression and low test, limp dick after your first cycle. The risks are dramatically increased when you mess with your HPTA before it's fully developed, so it's safer to wait.

[Nicky1010]

You said it yourself, everyone is different. That could mean your 4 friends are perfectly fine the way they've done it (that may be another story in 5-10 years) and then boom you're suffering depression and low test, limp dick after your first cycle. The risks are dramatically increased when you mess with your HPTA before it's fully developed, so it's safer to wait.

Key word you said - "may".
There's always a risk no matter how old you are. They're illegal in most countries for a reason.

Regarding to what you said though - yes, limp dick and low test are highly probable especially to people who don't stack properly. This part should be common sense to everyone on this forum - whatever you take, you are completely halting your bodies production of test. Therefore, supplement with test. Scared to pin? Don't cycle. Simple as that.

[lovbyts]

I see all these posts here with people around my age (21) saying they are thankful to have seen this post as they will reconsider cycling for a couple years.
I'm not here to say you're wrong for making that decision. Not at all.
But.
I haven't started cycling yet, but am planning on it sometime this week.
I have 4 friends who have all done the exact cycle that I will be starting, and so far they are all fine. PCTs are important and ensuring you are not trying to overkill what your body has potential for.
What I mean by that - If you're 6 feet tall and skinny as hell, don't cycle until you put on some size.

I won't go on and on, but what I'm saying is this.

If you're smart, and you've done your research, and you have the body type to be able to cycle without ****ing yourself up. Don't be afraid to do it because you're too young. Everyone is different.

Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

In the en it's up to you what you do or dont do but it's one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

[marcus300]

Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

In the en it's up to you what you do or dont do but it's one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

I was going to reply but looks like you summed it up for me.

[Nicky1010]

Please re read what you posted and think about it. Your friends are around your age meaning they dont have much real world experience either and you/they are only looking at the short term pros vs cons. Sometimes people dont realize there is anything wrong for months or years and some never put 2+2 together.

People who are saying to wait are speaking from experience and know there can be serious long term health issues especially when you are young. Going on HRT is not a fun thing when you are only 30 and have been suffering with low T for years due to the being young and arrogant thinking; it wont happen to me.

In the en it's up to you what you do or dont do but it's one of those things where IMO the short term gains are not worth the risk and I am glad that I waited.

I was the same way and was close to doing the same. I was in great shape working out 6x a week for 3+ years. I would have been 2x the size if I had a real clue about diet but there was no internet available for easy access like there is now. I had even purchased gear when I was 23 but at the last minute I decided not to go forward with it and thank god I didnt.

As you get older, more mature you always look back and realize how immature you really were just a few years back and usually regret the impulsive decisions you made even though at the time you felt like you thought it threw. Just be honest with yourself and dont give in to peer pressure or following the pack mentality.

Take a look at my post shortly after.

There's a reason why steroids are illegal in most countries. Based on your reply to my post, you're smart enough to figure out the answer as to why they're illegal on your own.

Yes, my friends have so far had no problems, and yes there is plenty of potential for them to have problems in the near future but so is there for everyone. No matter how old you are, there is always a chance that you will have issues when you are older. Low test, depression etc.
My point is not "Go do steroids kids, it's not as bad as people say it is". No.

Its be cautious, be smart, and know your body.

[lovbyts]

I was going to reply but looks like you summed it up for me.

Ha, for once I posted first? Most of the time if I write more than 1 sentence by the time I hit post you have already replied and mine looks like a cheap copy. lol

[danieljayy]

I wouldn't use any IMHO even though it wont effect your HPTA your far better attack your bf with cardio and diet. Using these two things to manipulate your body into burning fat as fuel is a better way that using compounds straight out. Your also better doing it slowly so address your cardio and tighten your diet up then after a few weeks/months you will hit a wall with your gains so then attack your diet and so on, do things slowly and you will be in a better position in keeping the bf off. There is no magic pill its all hard work and being consistent with your cardio and diet

I agree with you 100%, have done it before and achieved under 10% Bf.. The whole point i wanted to include Clen is because I will be playing football(soccer) 2x a week, which is 1h30min straight intense cardio, during a cutting phase i believe it would be pretty hard playing without muscle going to waste.. Also I have tried some of my cousins clen one day out of curiosity and had the best game of my life.

[tatted4Life]

What's a good stack with sus for muscle gains