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    2nd cycle

    ok think I'm ready to start my second cycle. Just a couple of questions, some of my research got lost.

    First off my stats:
    30 years old
    10 years exp
    5' 10"
    208 lbs
    12-14% bf
    First cycle was test enth for 9 weeks (I know too short, my bad)

    My next cycle I want to run this:
    Goals: gain some lean mass

    Week 1-12
    Test Sust 600mg week, pin 90mg every day
    Deca 600mg week, pinning with the test
    20-30mg dbol everyday
    12.5mg liquid stane EOD
    0.5mg liquid prami EOD

    Week 6-14
    250ius hcg every 3 days

    Week 14
    Clomid 100/100/50/50
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

    Questions:
    1) Is the dose of liquid prami right?

    2) Is ar-r liquid stuff ok for pct drugs?

    3) Should I even use the dbol?

    4) Is the stane alone ok for AI, should I get some letro on hand?

    5) I was planning on using nizoral shampoo only, should I get something else to protect my hair?


    THANKS guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfu View Post
    ok think I'm ready to start my second cycle. Just a couple of questions, some of my research got lost.

    First off my stats:
    30 years old
    10 years exp
    5' 10"
    208 lbs
    12-14% bf
    First cycle was test enth for 9 weeks (I know too short, my bad) Nice first cycle. 9 weeks is no big deal.

    My next cycle I want to run this:
    Goals: gain some lean mass

    Week 1-12
    Test Sust 600mg week, pin 90mg every day Looks good although this being your second cycle I'd keep it at 500mg. Guaranteed you'll still make gains off this amount in conjunction with proper nutrition/training/rest.
    Deca 600mg week, pinning with the test Not needed for a second cycle. 19nors can wait until you've experienced 1-2 more cycles. Test/orals can get you a long way.
    20-30mg dbol everyday Looks fine.
    12.5mg liquid stane EOD 10mg EOD here
    0.5mg liquid prami EOD Do 2x PW here

    Week 6-14
    250ius hcg every 3 days Fine here.

    Week 14
    Clomid 100/100/50/50
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Good.

    Questions:
    1) Is the dose of liquid prami right? Stated above

    2) Is ar-r liquid stuff ok for pct drugs? All of their products are legit.

    3) Should I even use the dbol? Sure, considering I highly suggest you do not need to be toying around with 19nors on a 2nd cycle.

    4) Is the stane alone ok for AI, should I get some letro on hand? Letro on hand is fine, but you should be fine with what you've got planned already.

    5) I was planning on using nizoral shampoo only, should I get something else to protect my hair? Nizoral works well. If it doesn't, then consider finasteride, Propecia, DHT blocker/hair loss shampoo with the DHT blocking properties.


    THANKS guys!
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    I agree with HP on the Test, and also no need to run deca already.

    Plz clarify how long you are running that dbol, surely I hope you didnt mean for the duration of the cycle. 4 weeks @ 20-25mg ED will yeild huge gains this time around.

    -KP

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    if he drops the deca, is the prami needed?

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    First off thanks guys.

    Ok, the main reason I wanted the deca was the benefit for joints and legaments. I'm paranoid of injuring my self........I used to be very small. I weighed 140 when I started and have been lifting heavy weights for years now and have never had a serious injury. I'm due.......

    And I would obvously drop the prami with the deca.

    Yes I planned on running the dbol for 4-5 weeks, kinda don't want to mess with orals, but I also don't want to wait 5-6 weeks for the test to kick in.

    Should test sust kick in faster that test enth????????

    Should I run a low dose of deca? or just drop it completly?

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    Drop the deca completely.
    Yes sus will kick in quicker, not sure on the exact time, i haven't had experience with it, but it has prop in it so will kick in faster then test E

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    drop the deca.. 19nor on a second cycle isnt needed when you can make tremendous gains by tinkering with your diet, training, test and orals

    I gain a ton of water mass with dbol... its hardly lean..

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    Use an AI to help with water retention with the dbol

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    You will see some results quicker with sust but in order to make use of the shorter esters (quicker results) you need an EOD injection protocol.

    -KP

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    ok, so i don't need the deca for connective tissues?

    I will use an AI, it's in my plan above.

    I will be pinning every day............hopefully the test will be working quickly!

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    No deca is not needed.

    I wish you the best on your cycle

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