First AAS cycle after PH's. Need some advice.

[RedStar]

I did 2 PH cycles in the last 14 months that gave me some great overall gains of which I kept the about 3/4. Now the only reason I did PH's is that they seemed to be more convenient and did not give me the bloated look that I simply rather not have. So now after reading all the stickies and the newbies articles as well as talking to some of the users that I know I decided to do a 12 week Test E cycle.

I have had some conflicting information coming my way as to stacking it with something like Dbol to kick it in to gear, but the majority seems to lean towards a pure Test cycle on the first AAS run.

Also there is quite a lot of different points of view in regards to the use of Ldex and Nolva during the cycle itself. Based on the stickies it seems that it is advised to use both, but I would love to hear your opinion, as mentioned I would love to minimize the water retention and the bloat through the duration of the cycle.

So here is what I got:
1-12 : Test E 500mg
1-12 ED : 10mg Nolva
1-12 ED : Ldex 0.25mg

PCT is pretty cookie cutter ( 2 weeks post last Test E)

Day 1: 300mg Clom / 20mg nolva / 0.25 Ldex
Day 2-30: 100mg Clom / 20mg Nolva/ 0.25 Ldex
Day 31-37: 20mg Nolva / 0.25Ldex


My current Stats:

24 years old/ 190lb/ 8 - 10 % Bodyfat / 6 feet/

Diet will be as follows:

3500 cals with 300g of protein. Should this be higher, 3500 is what I usually used on my PH cycles and had good muscle to fat gains.

Would appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks a lot!

[scotty51312]

I definitley wouldn't run 300mg of clomid, read up on it and the possible sides at high doses, and i wouldn't run it at more than 100mg for more than a week after this cycle. No need for ldex durring PCT either, you could suffer estrogen rebound when you go off of it. Why are you runing and AI and a SERM durring your cycle? IMO you don't need both, Keep the nolva on hand in case you get symptoms run the Adex if you want but some people dont' even need it. Some say cycling with nolva on cycle can effect your IGF-1 production, for me i just don't feel the urge to put extra chem's in my body without reason. If its your first cycle you won't know how you're going to react. 3500 cals seems about right, but its also about when you eat as much as what you eat. Post your full diet in the diet section or in here and someone will doublecheck it for you.

[HawaiianPride.]

I did 2 PH cycles in the last 14 months that gave me some great overall gains of which I kept the about 3/4. Now the only reason I did PH's is that they seemed to be more convenient and did not give me the bloated look that I simply rather not have. So now after reading all the stickies and the newbies articles as well as talking to some of the users that I know I decided to do a 12 week Test E cycle.

I have had some conflicting information coming my way as to stacking it with something like Dbol to kick it in to gear, but the majority seems to lean towards a pure Test cycle on the first AAS run.

Test only on a first cycle, always.

Also there is quite a lot of different points of view in regards to the use of Ldex and Nolva during the cycle itself. Based on the stickies it seems that it is advised to use both, but I would love to hear your opinion, as mentioned I would love to minimize the water retention and the bloat through the duration of the cycle.

Use an AI or an Anti-E, NOT both. It will drop your estrogen dangerously low, causing more problems than solving.

So here is what I got:
1-12 : Test E 500mg
1-12 ED : 10mg Nolva
1-12 ED : Ldex 0.25mg

^^Scratch the combination of both the SERM and AI, you don't need both. One or the other. If you want to use either or as a preventative, then go with Nolva as you have planned out already.

PCT is pretty cookie cutter ( 2 weeks post last Test E)

Day 1: 300mg Clom / 20mg nolva / 0.25 Ldex
Day 2-30: 100mg Clom / 20mg Nolva/ 0.25 Ldex
Day 31-37: 20mg Nolva / 0.25Ldex

PCT looks like shit and is outdated. Stick with 2 SERMS either Clomid/Nolva or Torem/Nolva. There is no need for an AI during PCT.


My current Stats:

24 years old/ 190lb/ 8 - 10 % Bodyfat / 6 feet/

At 6ft tall you should be well over 200lbs naturally. Re-address your diet.

Diet will be as follows:

3500 cals with 300g of protein. Should this be higher, 3500 is what I usually used on my PH cycles and had good muscle to fat gains.

Would appreciate any input from you guys! Thanks a lot!

Bold.

[MACHINE5150]

just run the test... keep the other on hand but do not use them unless you start having side effects.. i.e. sore nipples.. swollen ankles/wrists

[stpete]

Agree w/ HP....

[RedStar]

Thank you Scott and HP!

@HP, On my bulk I have been well over 220lb and about 15% BF, unfortunately I have very low natural test levels and since my doc thinks I am to young for TRT or HRT I always end up losing a lot of muscle whenever I go off cycle or on a prolonged cut.

The 300mg of clomid was taken directly from the Stickies, but I guess they are out dated.


So how should I put my PCT together? 100mgclom / 20 mg nolva for the duration?

No AI sounds great as that would be the most expensive items of the whole arsenal hehe.

[HawaiianPride.]

Thank you Scott and HP!

@HP, On my bulk I have been well over 220lb and about 15% BF, unfortunately I have very low natural test levels and since my doc thinks I am to young for TRT or HRT I always end up losing a lot of muscle whenever I go off cycle or on a prolonged cut.

Perhaps transitioning to another physician.

The 300mg of clomid was taken directly from the Stickies, but I guess they are out dated.

Very outdated..


So how should I put my PCT together? 100mgclom / 20 mg nolva for the duration?

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

No AI sounds great as that would be the most expensive items of the whole arsenal hehe.

Run it during your cycle for prevention purposes or run it when symptoms show. I'm a fan of prevention vs. treating on site. Your call.

Bold.

[RedStar]

Thank you so much again HP, and I presume that the 0.25mg Ldex dose is still proper and not outdated? Also do I need any IGF -1 for this cycle. Added info my Endo is prescribing me HCG injections, would that interfere with the cycle?

[HawaiianPride.]

You don't need IGF at this point. Too advanced of a peptide to be toying with.

That Dex dosage is fine for preventative dosages during cycles.

HCG is beneficial for any and all cycles, especially longer cycles and cycles that contain highly suppressive compounds.

[RedStar]

I noticed that many people preach the use of Aromasin as opposed to Ldex on cycle as it is a "suicidal" compound with no apparent post use rebound. Any truth to that? And if so what should Aromasing be dosed at every day?
Quite a few people told me that no matter what my choice of AI will be I should not take it every day, but would be much better of with once every 2 days.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Aromasin is just better than ldex when it comes to estro and a good dose would be 10-15mg eod for preventative purposes.

[RedStar]

Thanks FP!