First Cycle

[DREALLDAY]

Age: 20
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 170
BF %: ~8
Bench Max: ~260
Squat Max: ~200 (i know)

To tell you a little about myself, I am more or less a "health nut" when it comes to my diet (5 meals a day, balanced 40/40/20), drink plenty of water, etc. I have been lifting for about three years now and in the last two years have been training pretty consistently, and even more recently have been lifting for about 2 hrs a day 5-6 days a week.

Done a bit of research and have a roommate now who has done a cycle, however he doesnt seem to be the most informed person, which is why I decided to post here and hopefully get some feedback on my cycle so far, and what your thoughts are for PTC. I fully understand that many say 20 is a bit young for a first cycle, and it very well may be, but i also feel many of the people who give this advice did their first cycles when they were 17-20... either way I would really appreciate some advice on my first cycle.

Anyway after three years of lifting i decided to give this "beginner" cycle a try

the 300mg test is split to 150mg test twice a week.

week 1: 20mg dbol
week 2: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 3: 300mg test / 30mg dbol (currently beginning week 3)
week 4: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 5: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 6: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 7: 300mg test / 40mg dbol
week 8: 300mg test / 50mg dbol
week 9: 300mg test / 50mg dbol

(its test cypionate)

in the first 2 1/2 weeks i have had almost no side effects and noticeable gains, seems to be going well so far.

Question 1 - are these amounts of dbol for the continuing weeks correct? i see some people use it just as a starter cycle, but then I see others use it throughout the entire cycle. Considering the lower dosage of test, is it safe to continue the dbol throughout the entire cycle? On a side note if I should jump up the dbol more in the earlier weeks I do have more to spare.

Question 2 - can anyone help me in suggesting the proper PTC (which estrogen blocker to use and how much with these dosages?)

Thanks in advance for any help!

[bodybuilder]

Bro trust me you are way to young. At this age your naturally testosterone levels are high. Messing around with juice at your age can have some really bad irreversible sides. Grab some creatine get your diet in check and train like a beast you should see some good gains this way. Oh and by the way I'm 28yrs old and to this day still have not done any AAS.

[DREALLDAY]

Thats why im doing a low dose small cycle. Probably going to finish up this cycle and then give it a rest for at least a year or two, just looking for a bit of a boost from my current weight which I hasnt gone up in 2 yrs of training (maybe 10-15 pounds) and a bit lower BF%. And also why im really going to take the PTC seriously and am looking for help on the right amounts to do.

either way im not going to stop in the middle of it and so far im pretty comfortable with my decision and the cycle im taking... really looking for advice as to how much dbol i should add and what PTC to do, as the correct dosages seem hard to find exact info on. thanks again for any help

[GymHero]

Age: 20 - http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=endocrine

-http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?332958-When-you-SHOULDN-T-use-AAS-imho....

Weight: 170 - http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...DIET-QUESTIONS
Go to the link above and post your diet up as you need food and not AAS at this point in your life.



Done a bit of research and have a roommate now who has done a cycle, however he doesnt seem to be the most informed person, which is why I decided to post here and hopefully get some feedback on my cycle so far, and what your thoughts are for PTC. I fully understand that many say 20 is a bit young for a first cycle, and it very well may be, but i also feel many of the people who give this advice did their first cycles when they were 17-20... either way I would really appreciate some advice on my first cycle.

Regardless of your age it would be irresponsible of us to give advice to someone like you who has no idea what they are doing. You need to read read and read until your head hurts kid. Your cycle is terrible and you have no pct... I'm not going to hold your hand but I will give you some links below that I want you to read. IMO you should stop your cycle ASAP and run a proper pct.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rtisol-control

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...CT-start-times

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dated-08-12-09)

week 1: 20mg dbol
week 2: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 3: 300mg test / 30mg dbol (currently beginning week 3)
week 4: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 5: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 6: 300mg test / 30mg dbol
week 7: 300mg test / 40mg dbol
week 8: 300mg test / 50mg dbol
week 9: 300mg test / 50mg dbol

You are running dbol WAY too long. Dbol is normally ran for the first 4 weeks to kickstart a cycle. You are also running cyp at only 300 mg pw, read the links below to get a full understanding on the dbol and how to properly run a cycle. PLEASE stop this cycle and run a proper pct and research and when you think you are ready post it up and we will help you.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...androstenolone)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rone-Cypionate

You have a lot of reading to do. You are injection something you no nothing about which is very careless. Please read up and learn. Good luck

[DREALLDAY]

Like i said, ive read on multiple places that 300mg test was acceptable for a first cycle looking to get a little bigger, more cut, and less side effects. Coupled with the fact that Im only twenty I chose to do the lower dosage of test....

As for the dbol I also stated that ive ready in many places that they continue to take low dosage (20-30mg a week) as long as 12 weeks. I was considering 30 throughout the entire cycle (8 weeks), or bumping to 50 the second two weeks and then just cutting out for the rest of the cycle... which is my main question as of right now, second to the proper PTC

Im not new to the gym, and im not misinformed. I understand this is not the "typical cycle" but if i was taking 500mg test for 12 weeks then I wouldnt be asking questions, or considering taking dbol for 8 weeks. Obviously Im not an expert because this is my first cycle... but i also feel like ive done quite a bit of research on both drugs... im just having trouble on finding correct dosages when using low dose test in conjunction with dbol...

Thanks in advance for any tips

[Calcium]

Dont run a cycle at your age bud, your to young and it can cause you ton's of problems

[DREALLDAY]

k well I wont do another one for a long time... this is a really wimpy cycle anyway... can anyone help answer my questions please?

I need some help with the PTC... how much should i take with that amount of dbol/test over an 8 week cycle? and im assuming just continue 30mg of dbol through week four and then stop? or should up up the dbol to 40/50mg for the last two weeks?

[marcus300]

Taking steroids at your age can have an adverse effect on your natural testosterone levels, but shutting down a system what hasn't fully developed you can cause it to never reach its peak, thats right one takes one cycle to adjust your HPTA so please reconsider your approach. At your age you have enough natural test floating around to be great gains and if your not experiencing them then its down to your diet. Why would you shut down your natural test when it hasn't reached peak and could cause you to go on hrt for the rest of your life!

[DREALLDAY]

Marcus

I understand it can affect your levels for the rest of your life, but you really think a small dosage short cycle with proper PTC is that damaging? Especially if i wait 2-3 years for the next one?

And I really do not want to stop 30% through the cycle, im loving the gains so far and just want to finish to put on the 15 pounds ive been waiting for the past year that I havent gained. Not to mention i feel genetically disadvantaged, ive been lifting for 3 years, and havent accomplished what some of my buddies have in two.

Its not my diet, everyone i know thinks im a freak because of my diet. I take in 180+ grams of protein a day and eat the exact right amount of carbs/fats... and have been doing so for the past two years. I refuse to eat anything thats remotely "unhealthy"

[marcus300]

Small dosages still shutdown your HPTA and yes one cycle can have a negative effect for the rest of your life, please read the purple links below for more details/

[Nickleby]

Look - the kid's gonna do the cycle anyway, so let's help him out. The cycle looks fine. You don't need to do a week of Dbol alone first - may as well just go straight into it.

I am a little worried that you keep referring to your recovery as PTC. It's PCT (Post Cycle Therapy). These little things makes me feel like you're not thoroughly read enough - but that's not going to stop you.

Good luck and keep us informed. But please do look at the PCT link on this Forum. It'll give you great advice on your recovery.

DO NOT SKIP PCT!!!

[Nickleby]

Sorry - I agree. Dbol is def too long. My bad.

[DREALLDAY]

Thanks nickleby -

Definitely not going to skip the PCT (for some reason i transposed the words to post training cycle...PTC), but it looks like most people are saying I shouldnt run the dbol that long, in which case i would assume stop in week 4? However should i up it to 40mg/50mg in weeks 3/4? Or could even do like 6 weeks of dbol and keep it at a steady 30mgs.

Also am wondering the preference of Nolvadex vs Clomid for a cycle like this?

[marcus300]

There is some bad advice in this thread ^^

I will leave to people who want to advice a 20yr how to cycle

out of here

best of luck you will need it

[Nickleby]

For 1st cycle 25mg/ED is good enough. Don't go too hard out of the blocks - cause as sure as the night it black, you'll be wanting to do another cycle after Christmas...which means you'll probably want to up Dbol to 30/35mg ED on your 2nd cycle.

and 4 weeks is enough. Don't fry you liver and make sure you take some protectants (Milk Thistle/Liver52 etc).

[big_ron]

After your 1st cycle you are NOT going to wait 2-3 for your next one. because you cant wait to cycle now, and there is not much point you will have lost your gains by then becuase you dont know how to gain naturally

[Nickleby]

Love that avatar Ron. Slurp!

[big_ron]

Love that avatar Ron. Slurp!

You stay away shes mine! :P

[DREALLDAY]

alright thanks, ill just stick to the 30mg through week 4 and then end the dbol.

as for PCT, any suggestions for nolva vs clomid for this type of cycle? and the dosages for either?