Test C front load

[UMFan]

Hey guys; I've read a lot about front loading Cypionate cycles with 1g in the first week. Most people seem to prefer 2 - 500mg injections. I haven't injected in awhile so I'm trying to keep my initial injections under 2CC, would it be advisable to do 4 - 250mg injections to reach the 1g rather than 2 injections @500mg?

[big_ron]

No it wouldn't be advisable to front load at all, it is an outdated method. Just start with 500mg.

[UMFan]

Thanks for the info man. Any reason the method is outdated? I've read some pretty convincing articles supporting the method, but I definitely want to "do it right". I've never run a Test only cycle without at least adding in some orals up front. Just want to make sure I'm achieving stable levels throughout the cycle.

[Brewster]

Honestly,
Why dont you add some dbol as a kicker?

[scotty51312]

Frontloading with a long estered test to me is pointless. The point of a frontload is to get your levels up quickly so you dont' have to wait the weeks for the test to kick in. But with such a long estered test it wouldn't make sense. If you want your cycle to kickstart with a frontload i'd sugest a short ester or even suspension. And frontloading is definitley not for beginners

[UMFan]

Scotty, the purpose of front loading a long ester like Cyp is to saturate your receptors with a "peaked" dose in week one to ensure stable blood levels more quickly (instead of it taking several weeks to peak like most long esters, which is why most people don't feel the effect of a long ester until its built up substantial amount in the blood stream). The reason it's supposed to work is due to the long half life of the drug. If you look at tables of the typical bioavailability of Cyp in the body, typically you don't see peak levels until well into the second month. This problem can be solved by front loading which is doubling the amount of mg in the first wk.

Long esters and short esters can both be used when front loading. Many like this method of front loading and many prefer kickstarting the front end of the cycle with an oral. I myself am trying to avoid orals and thought the front load may better serve my purpose. If front loading is not a good idea, I don't really have "data" to support this (although I'd love to see it!). My real question is if the front load can be divided the way I suggested in my original post.

[scotty51312]

Sure you could inject it in as many doses as you want. I didn't say frontloading was a bad idea. Just said its not for beginners.

[40plusnewbie]

I'm on my 2nd cycle, first one just var, this one test cyp and a cpl other things. I'm 2 weeks into my cycle and really wished I front loaded with prop.

[big_ron]

Sorry i dont agree with you there, the way i see it is, 500mg of test is 500mg of test, the levels are not going to peak after 2 months of usage, depending on how often you pin the drug will determine how stable it stays in your blood stream.

[big_ron]

Then again im no expert and that is just my opinion

[UMFan]

Hey big_ron, here's the logic:

Testosterone Cypionate's half-life is 8 days (Davis’s Drug Guide for Nurses 9th Ed.)

For simplicity, let's assume a dosage of 500mg Test Cyp pinned every 8 days
Day 1 – 500mg (remember that the bioavailability at this point is 0 because it takes 8 days to metabolize 250mg, and this will be true for every dose that follows)

Day 9 – 500mg (remember what was stated on day 1), so at this point you have 250mg remaining in the body from day 1 because your body has used 250mg over the past 8 days)

Day 17 – 500mg, at this point you have 250 from Day 9 and 125 from day 1 (don’t confuse yourself here, the body does not process 250mg every 8 days, it simply reduces the remaining by half every 8 days)

Day 25 – 500mg, at this point you have 250mg from Day 17, 125 from Day 9, and now just 62.5 remaining from day 1

Day 33 – 500mg, at this point you have 250mg from Day 25, 125 from Day 17, 62.5 from Day 9, and 31.7 from day 1.

The easy way to keep going on with this formula is to take the smallest number (31.7 in this case) and reduce it by half, then add it to your existing numbers for the total, and then repeat.

The total looks like this:
The first 8 days your body will metabolize 250mg
The second 8 days your body will metabolize half of the remaining 250 (125) and half of the 500 (250) administered on day 9 for a total of 375.
The third 8 days your body will metabolize 250, 125, and 62.5 for a total of 437.5. This is one reason it takes a couple of weeks to start noticing the effects of this drug.
To keep figuring out the bioavailability just keep reducing your smallest number by half and adding it to the total as described earlier.

Here is a chart demonstrating the bioavailability and how long it takes to even reach that 500mg per 8 day mark. For this demonstration we will use 8 days for 1 wk.
Wk 1 – 250mg
Wk 2 – 375mg
Wk 3 – 437.5mg
Wk 4 – 469.2mg
Wk 5 – 485mg
Wk 6 – 492.9mg
Wk 7 – 496.8mg
Wk 8 – 498.7mg
And so on….

So what does all this mean? Well for one it brings up a very important issue of frontloading. To frontload, you simply double your weekly dose just for that first week. It would look like this:
Wk 1 – 1000mg Cyp
Wk 2 – 500mg Cyp
Wk 3 – 500mg Cyp
And continue on at the normal 500mg/wk

The way this works is simple, during week 1 your body will metabolize 500mg of the first dose leaving you with 500 remaining. The second week your body will metabolize 250mg from the first dose and also 250 from the second dose for a total of 500. Now do you see how beneficial frontloading really is? You will stay constant at 500mg/wk throughout your cycle instead of tapering up by not frontloading.

[wormwood]

I don't see why frontoading shouldn't work. I've never tried it....but mathmatically speaking it does make sense. The long esters don't just all of the sudden release all the test at the same time. It's gradual, so it makes sense that the more you take, the more will be released earlier.

[Aodha]

wow. you know your stuff... why are you on here asking questions again? haha jk. to your original question, it's all preference. if you don't mind pinning four times, do it. but it seems easier just to pin twice at 500mg each.

[UMFan]

Ya I don't mind pinning frequently, I just don't like pinning too many ML during the first couple of injections. I like pinning quads, and if I pin over 2 ML on the first injection I can't walk for 2 days The cyp I'm using is 200mg/ML, so if I pin twice @500mg/injection I need to inject 2.5ML. That would suck. If i pin 250mg injections it only takes 1.25ML, which is much better, but I have to pin four times instead of 2 (although my legs will appreciate it)