Thread: First cyle.....!!!
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10-09-2010, 02:58 PM #1
First cyle.....!!!
Hey guys...i knw may be i have posted it in some other thread.. but research and research slightly changed my mind... every body was telling me to take test e or c as first cycle.. but i researched n found that Eq is also nice mass builder with almost 50% less conversion to estrogen than test.. correct me if i am wrong...
Stats :
Age : 26
training : 6 years(natural)
Height: 5'4''
Weight 161 lbs ( i knw..it is not much..but i have started at weight 115 lbs..and i gonna make it sure it will hit 170 before i started to cycle)
i want to gain 15-17 pounds..but i want to make sure that whatever i gain i must retain at least 80% of it..( i know it depends on PCT and diet, training but i wanna choose right drug for first cycle.. then i can add other drugs to it on future cycles..)
Here wat i have in mind..
cycle 1 :
Test E 400/500 mgs /wk
for 10 weeks..
PCT (2 weeks after last shot for 4 weeks) : Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva in hand just in case...
cycle 2:
Equipoise 400mgs/wk
for 12 weeks..
PCT (2 weeks after last shot for 4 weeks) : Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva in hand just in case...
What you guys think.. the reason i want to share about thinking Eq is i want to make sure that gains i make shouls stay with me.. as i think i will have less water retaintion on Eq than on test..and my appetite will increase with Eq ..correct me if i am wrong..i have no exp. as this is my first cycle.. thats why i want opinions from all of you experieced users..Last edited by Blade15; 10-09-2010 at 03:10 PM.
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10-09-2010, 03:06 PM #2
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10-09-2010, 03:13 PM #3
Thanks HP.. But i was curious because of the steroid profile of EQ.. it says 100 : 50 AA ratio..
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10-09-2010, 05:14 PM #4
Bump
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10-09-2010, 05:17 PM #5
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10-09-2010, 05:22 PM #6
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10-09-2010, 05:31 PM #7
Looking forward to it! GL.
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10-09-2010, 05:34 PM #8
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10-09-2010, 05:50 PM #9
Share your experiences, suggestions, thoughts guys... Thnx...
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10-09-2010, 07:34 PM #10
Help me out guys... there are many experienced AAS users here... plz... tell me what you guys think....
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10-09-2010, 07:52 PM #11
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10-09-2010, 08:00 PM #12
Cycle 1 for sure. First cycle should be a test only cycle IMO. You will gain plenty with only a few sides. I agree with HP that water bloat has been blow way out of proportion. I barely have any bloat on test. I never seen anyone in person that has had issues...and I know 3 others that I see regularly on test and they have no issues. Sure if you are a competitive bodybuilder you will notice it, but for a beginner such as yourself....likely not. With proper PCT you should hold most of your gains. Good luck.
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10-09-2010, 08:39 PM #13
I agree with HP as well! Im on my second cycle and I am using 500mg's of test E, and 500 of EQ!! I hardly have any bloat! I hold water for about 24 hours after a cheat but because my diet is "on" it comes off fast! I have Arimidex on hand but so far I have not had to use any. I'm going into week 6 and everythings kicking in quite nicely with minimal bloat. All depends on your cardio, diet!
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10-10-2010, 06:27 AM #14
Thnx
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10-10-2010, 06:27 AM #15
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10-10-2010, 06:28 AM #16
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10-10-2010, 06:35 AM #17
Yeah..cardio and diet.. i am aiming for maximum gain...so my diet will be as much clean calories i can eat throughout the day.. bloat is not my prbm...but i want to make sure gains should be solid though it can be less but solid... I mean if on cycle of test i gain 20 pounds and keep 12/13 of it... and if on cycle of EQ i gained 12 pounds and keep 8/9 of it... am i right with these fig...?? ( i know PCT, Diet n training decides what you will retain ... but as considering drug i am talking about quality of the drug to maintain the gains...)
Thx bro....
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10-10-2010, 06:40 AM #18
dont take me wrong guys... i want to make sure about properties of both of the drugs to maintain gains... I mean i know test will give me maximum gain as it will be my first cycle.. but i dont care about quantity...in pounds.... i want quality which can be less means 10 pounds...its ok with me...With which compound is harder to keep gains it is my question.... Anybody...???
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10-10-2010, 06:42 AM #19
Gains generally depend on training, rest, food, and PCT.
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10-10-2010, 06:46 AM #20
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10-10-2010, 06:50 AM #21
Listen, Test can give you the results you desire. A 12 week EQ only will only bring disappointment. Believe me on this, I know.
Gains depend upon what I've noted above.
I've thrown my flag on this, do what you will bro. Come pack and share your experiences if you wish.
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10-10-2010, 06:59 AM #22
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10-10-2010, 11:09 AM #23
Bump for more opinions by people who have done such cycle befrore.....
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10-10-2010, 11:19 AM #24
400mg of Test E for 12 weeks.
EQ is very mild and won't do much on its own unless you're more of an athlete than a bodybuilder (its good for everything but mass and strength).
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10-10-2010, 12:04 PM #25
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10-10-2010, 12:27 PM #26
I think Marcus needs to help you out
Im sure he would say EQ only, from what i can gather its the only compound he ever wants to use again
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10-10-2010, 02:52 PM #27
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10-10-2010, 04:56 PM #28
I am thinking about taking 150 mgs of test/wk with 400 mgs of EQ for 10 weeks.. How it will go???
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10-11-2010, 01:33 AM #29
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10-11-2010, 01:33 AM #30
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10-11-2010, 03:58 AM #32
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10-11-2010, 08:06 AM #33
Aromasin . Start with 12.5mg EOD and adjust accordingly.
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10-11-2010, 08:50 AM #34
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10-12-2010, 05:05 AM #35
Bump for some more experiences...
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10-12-2010, 02:53 PM #36
Just stick to the test m8
Anyone who reccomends the EQ is humoring u
Test at 350-500mg per week will give u good gains
IMO you should run HCG on cycle thruout
For good PCT info check out Swiftos stickies in the PCT section and his QandA thread
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10-12-2010, 02:57 PM #37
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