First Cycle thoughts and opinions

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 02:02 AM

Hello everybody this is my first post on these boards, thought I might join this excellent community after being a reader for a long time.

I'm strongly considering starting my first cycle in about 2 or 3 months. Here are my stats:
Age: 20
Weight: 275lbs
Height: 6'3
Body fat: 19.5%

I have been training seriously for a bit over 2 years now. I do mostly powerlifting type training (I have done 3 madcow 5x5 cycles and am currently doing 5/3/1 and ed coan deadlift routine). My lifts atm are a 570lb deadlift, 462lb squat and 320lb benchpress.

I think now its time to start using gear as I feel that I am strong enough and I would like my lifts to get better at a quicker rate

This is what I have in mind for my first cycle:
Test e @ 650mg per week for 12 weeks
Dbol @ 40mg per day for 4 weeks as a kickstart
Arimidex @ 0.5mg ED

PCT:
Nolva and Clomi (ill decide on dosages later)

How does this sound? Considering my weight and strength, are these dosages optimal?

Please feel free to give me any feedback, thoughts or opinions on this.

Thanks guys

**junkiescumbag** · 10-17-2010, 02:40 AM

everything looks good. but your gonna get hammered about age here. and 19.5% is too high imho drop that to about 15% before considering AAS. also why so much test?

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 03:01 AM

I figured being 275lb calls for extra testosterone to have the same effect as a lighter guy on 500mg...correct me if im wrong.

Also why do you think I should lower my body fat? I can always do a 4-5 week cutting phase on clen and strip down to about 15-16% before i start the gear, but why should i?

**big_ron** · 10-17-2010, 03:38 AM

The higher bf % you have,
The harsher the side effects of the compounds
You use are.

**bjpennnn** · 10-17-2010, 03:46 AM

bro you are way to young to cycle, looks like you need to start with your diet anyways. here are some helpful links.

Marcus300
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

Diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 03:47 AM

ok so do you think that 19% is too high and it is actually worthwhile doing a 4 week cutting phase with clen to strip my body fat down to 15% or so?

Thanks a lot for your input so far guys, i appreciate it

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 03:54 AM

is 20 really that young bjpenn? What about college football players and the multitude of powerlifters and bodybuilders that started cycling in their teens?

**bjpennnn** · 10-17-2010, 03:54 AM

19 is totally to high. You need to get around the 14% or less area. You have a lot to learn about diet i gurantee it. Your so young that if you study and learn now about proper diet you will have an amazing base to work with when you are old enough to use gear. Good luck.

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 04:00 AM

Losing weight for me isnt a problem tbh. At the start of this year I was 12% bodyfat at 225lbs... i bulked up a lot and put on a lot of mass and strength naturally with the fat obviously coming also, I can pretty easily cut down to 15% or so in a bit more than a month on clenbuterol .

But tbh with you i really am not prepared to wait until im 25... maybe when I turn 21 thatll be the longest I can wait.

**junkiescumbag** · 10-17-2010, 04:17 AM

cut down to 13% go ahead and use clen if you want

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 05:04 AM

i pretty much force fed myself up to 275lbs from 225lbs over the course of 10 months... and tbh with you I am very happy with the results and changes to my body... i dont know about you guys but I dont mind putting on some amount of fat in exchange for size and strength, and the fat can be burnt off later.

So with that said it is honestly no problem for me to really focus on a good diet and cardio and shed down to 15% with the help of clenbuterol .

So with that out of the way, the only real issue here is my age. Surely 20 years of age isnt the worst case scenario... a lot of fitness models and bbers and the like start in their teens (17 and 18).

But thanks a lot for the input bjpenn i didnt know bf % was an important factor when choosing to cycle, thanks for ur help

**cro** · 10-17-2010, 05:33 AM

your nutz.your in your prime and you sound strong as an ox and knowledgeable.your natural test is kicking as for you i know peoplewho could never put onthat much weight in 10 months

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 05:58 AM

thank you

even I was amazed at how quickly i put on weight, size and strength... i used no supplements other than wpc btw... i used madcows 5x5 program exclusively for those 9 and a half months and it payed off!

But yeh it came at a price i guess, i do have stretchmarks on both biceps and on both shoulders near my rear delts... to be perfectly honest I dont look fat at all given my body fat is around 18.5-19%

I do suppose I am being impatient, I doubt I will be able to gain size and strength at that rate ever again and I am really curious as to how strong I can get with a cycle, as I have definite plans of competing as a powerlifter.

I was thinking of finishing the current training cycle I am on atm (5 weeks left) and push my bodyweight up to 277lbs or so and then after that do a 5 week cut and bring my body fat down to my goal of 15%. When that happens I am planning on doing my first cycle.

What are your thoughts on this?

**MACHINE5150** · 10-17-2010, 06:58 AM

run some clen and wait a couple years.. or at the very least until you are 21.. you are already huge.. how big do you wanna get??

**sigman roid** · 10-17-2010, 07:01 AM

Definitly get that BF down 15% or lower and as already stated at 21 you really should be taking advantage of your natural test and not using steroids .

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 07:05 AM

machine5150 the fact that i got to this size naturally and at a young age makes me wonder what i can achieve with steroids ... my 21st birthday is the longest i can wait im afraid... i dunno if i can even wait till then!

sigman getting my bodyfat down is no biggie as i explained above, my only concern is my age atm!

why am i so impatient for?

**MACHINE5150** · 10-17-2010, 07:09 AM

to answer your original question,

650mg is fine at your size.. my first cycle was 600mg and i was 200lbs

drop the arimidex until you are sure you need it and do .25mg EOD and step it up if symptoms peresist.. dont take it if you don't need it..

Also, add HCG at 250iu 2x a week through out the whole cycle..

**sigman roid** · 10-17-2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by khz

machine5150 the fact that i got to this size naturally and at a young age makes me wonder what i can achieve with steroids ... my 21st birthday is the longest i can wait im afraid... i dunno if i can even wait till then!

sigman getting my bodyfat down is no biggie as i explained above, my only concern is my age atm!

why am i so impatient for?

Your age should be a concern,Imo i wouldnt cycle for a good few years yet.

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

Your age should be a concern,Imo i wouldnt cycle for a good few years yet.

hmmm this is not good news lol. Perhaps the longest I will wait is my 21st birthday. Physically I will be pretty matured by then, but endocrinology-wise probably not

Its not like I am doing heavy compounds like tren - Test and dbol only (maybe not even dbol)

**sigman roid** · 10-17-2010, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by khz

hmmm this is not good news lol. Perhaps the longest I will wait is my 21st birthday. Physically I will be pretty matured by then, but endocrinology-wise probably not

Its not like I am doing heavy compounds like tren - Test and dbol only (maybe not even dbol)

Well your mind is set so goodluck mate.

**Ah-Nold** · 10-17-2010, 12:19 PM

Wow ! Never seen or heard of someone with such great results, so Desperate to use any type of steroid whatsoever ??

**khz** · 10-17-2010, 08:30 PM

any other opinions would be great

**boxin23** · 10-17-2010, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

run some clen and wait a couple years.. or at the very least until you are 21.. you are already huge.. how big do you wanna get??

Machine....this is not good advice....21 is the same as 19....growth plates are not fused and hormones are still going crazy.
OP....Listen to Sigman...he is correct....YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AGE...

Research TRT.....if you cycle now you may need it when your my age...that is not a guarantee but a good possibility....My noodle is worth not taking the chance.

**boxin23** · 10-17-2010, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

run some clen and wait a couple years.. or at the very least until you are 21.. you are already huge.. how big do you wanna get??

Machine....this is not good advice....21 is the same as 19....growth plates are not fused and hormones are still going crazy.
OP....Listen to Sigman...he is correct....YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AGE...

Research TRT.....if you cycle now you may need it when your my age...that is not a guarantee but a good possibility....My noodle is worth not taking the chance.