19 years old, want to start my first bulk cycle. need help.

[zuppah]

hi, ive been training weight for 2 years now,, and up for starting my first bulk cycle. since im a bit afraid of injections i would like to stat an oral cycle first. i wonder how many different steroids there is in oral form?? ive heared trenbolon is very effective.. but is it in oral form??

ive also considered testo e + deca cycle.. but then u need to take injections??
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anyways.. i saw there is somethingt called dynabolon which is kinda same stuff that deca durabolin ,.. which you could stack with Dianabol ?? would that be a good cycle??

what would you advice me to use?? im going to start anyways so dont tell me its dangerous and stuff.. but help me to a cycle that could be good for a first time user as bulk.. with not to many sides..

btw a friend of mine has GHRP-6 is that good ?? i dont know so much about hormones

[khz]

if you're too scared to inject yourself dont even consider going on a cycle.

An oral only cycle will permanently damage your liver.

[Bigdog99]

Here is some advice and I hope you take it.......wait several more years to cycle. You run the risk of messing up your body b/c you are not done developing yet. Go natural and read up on the form and learn more.......then you will be ready. Dont rush it.

[Far from massive]

Yep at 19 the chance of doing permanent damage to your natural production of testosterone is very great. To me when I was 19 the last thing I would have wanted to worry about was loosing the ability to be able to perform anytime any place, what good is it going to do you to get big and when you hookup having to worry about taking viagra like a freaking 40 yr old man....

On top of that at 19 your natural test, muscular recovery, metabolism, joint health, is so high that with proper nutrition whatever gains you seek should be easily obtainable and the benifit of Natural vs AAS will be much less that it will be at 27-35.

[MaNiCC]

A few points

1)At 19 you are too young to be using steroids or other hormones, Im sure considerable natural growth is still possible
2) You have not posted any stats
3) Your knowledge of performance enhancers is almost non existant, so i would strongly advise staying away from them for a couple of years

This was posted recently by Marcus300 who is a vet on the board.

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.


I would however stay around the board and increase your knowledge

-MaNiCC

[SlimmerMe]

Premature ED...Andropause ? YOU are in your prime right now! USE it to your advantage.Take your edge that many members here wish they had naturally, believe me. Plus with a natural base you can build a much better foundation anyway. So wait unitl you actually need some help. Not worth messing with your endocrine system.

[Bonaparte]

if you're too scared to inject yourself dont even consider going on a cycle.

An oral only cycle will permanently damage your liver.

There are dozens of reasons why he shouldn't cycle, but neither of those qualify.

[blah3d]

Heres your cycle you should be taking:

1 ass load of protein
1 bad ass work out/Daily or EOD
6 awesome calorie meals.. You could ramp this up to maybe 8 but just be sure to spread them out through out the day.

Here is a list of things to stay away from:
TacoBell and Pizza
Beer (You're too young anyways)
Steroids (You're way too young anyways either)


lol

As a side note take a picture today of yourself. Follow my advice for 3 months take another picture at the end of 90 days look how much you have change... Promise if you get all that lined up BIG CHANGES!

[joe soap]

im also 19 and its hard to not do steriods !! ye looking at these guys and there huge , i eat 8 meals a day and i take cyto gain and cell mass and its not really helping then u start thinkiing Steriods should work

[HawaiianPride.]

im also 19 and its hard to not do steriods !! ye looking at these guys and there huge , i eat 8 meals a day and i take cyto gain and cell mass and its not really helping then u start thinkiing Steriods should work

Steroids will drastically be less effective unless you have everything else in check. Since everything else isn't working for you, then the steroids won't work either. They all go hand in hand.

[Tigershark]

Do yourself a favor and listen to these guys and do not try a cycle at your age.

[BigJuice777]

Do yourself a favor and listen to these guys and do not try a cycle at your age.

Agreed.... I am 33 and thinking about my first cycle. Your NATURAL test levels are already close to many of these guys who are ON cycle... You are already setup to grow like a weed, EAT and capitalize on that.

[bjpennnn]

If You Are Under 24 Then Read This
Written by D00fy
contributed by WARmachine
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

Things to Conside BEFORE AAS
Written by Marcus300
contributed by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4316957

[bjpennnn]

Whats the right age to take steroids (GOOD READ)

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[tbody66]

Great advice, please take it. Grow to your maximum natural potential first.

[Considering]

I think your base compounds should be 16 oz of red meat and 18 oz of tuna.
Don't forget " Train...say your prayers...take vitamins and believe in yourself"
Add a few thousand more calories a day, and you have have a solid cycle. No pct needed and you can be on for years!

[DocPharm]

You seem set on trying to cycle but honestly besides saying you are hitting the weights for the past two years. We need more info. Workouts, stats, diet, ect. Honestly I will tell you from a guy who is only 5 years older then you and has backround in pharmacology and A&P that you really do need to get your body at its max potential before you ever consider a cycle. At 19, your still have plenty of growing and potential to gain from just smashing protein and lifting hard. I personally at 24 am just now considering cycling and I have lifted since 15yrs old. I know that a bulking cycle seems like the smart thing but I have learned that if you get your diet right and your workout plan right you can profit greatly. Give us an idea of your stats, current diet, goals for bulking, ect and lets line our a workout and diet plan then we can start talking about a cycle. PS orals are hard on your liver and I would keep those to a minimum. Plus the fact your liver breaks them down and very little truly reaches the blood stream.