Cycle; Test e/Var/T3 - Vets!

[Gramao]

Hey guys!! I need some help from you experienced guys in tweeking my cycle. Stats 23 y/o, 6ft, 220lb, 15%bf. Suppliment taking while on cycle; milk thistle, celery seed, multi V & fish oil. So now my second cycle will look like this:


Wk 1-4: Test e 500pw
Wk 5-8:Test e 500pw/ Anavar 40mg ED
Wk 4-8: Cytomel (T3) – Ramp up to 50mcg and ramp down slowly (Ratio 5/45/50)
Wk 9: Test e 250pw (deload)
Wk 10-14: Test e 750pw/ Anavar 40mg ED
Wk 15: Test e 250pw (deload)
Wk 1-15: Adex 0.5mg EOD

PCT (14 days after last shot):
wk17+ nolva: 40/40/20/20/20
wk 17+ clomid: 50/50/50/50

Wk 23 - Check > Blood Test!

(btw; my aim for this cycle is to put on 10lb of lean mass while shedding some bf - with increase in cardio 3x30min and maybe t3/clen).

Just a few Questions:
- I know i will shed some fat on t3, but would i loose a lot of muscle or stop gaining muscle on the 4 weeks period on t3 (since ill be using a relatively low dose)? Im still unsure if ill add the t3, i just want to know how it will effect my bf%, and if ill still gain muscle mass while on t3?
- Would i bloat at all from the test, since im taking Adex EoD 0.5mg?
- Is HCG needed during my PCT? or would my current PCT bring my HTPA back to normal? [im not sure if i can get my hands on HCG atm ]
- Can clen be used ramping up to 100mcg, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off?

Thank You for the Help!

[HawaiianPride.]

Hey guys!! I need some help from you experienced guys in tweeking my cycle. Stats 23 y/o, 6ft, 220lb, 15%bf. Suppliment taking while on cycle; milk thistle, celery seed, multi V & fish oil. So now my second cycle will look like this:


Wk 1-4: Test e 500pw
Wk 5-8:Test e 500pw/ Anavar 40mg ED
Wk 4-8: Cytomel (T3) – Ramp up to 50mcg and ramp down slowly (Ratio 5/45/50)
Wk 9: Test e 250pw (deload)
Wk 10-14: Test e 750pw/ Anavar 40mg ED
Wk 15: Test e 250pw (deload)
Wk 1-15: Adex 0.5mg EOD

PCT (14 days after last shot):
wk17+ nolva: 40/40/20/20/20
wk 17+ clomid: 50/50/50/50

Wk 23 - Check > Blood Test!

(btw; my aim for this cycle is to put on 10lb of lean mass while shedding some bf - with increase in cardio 3x30min and maybe t3/clen).

Just a few Questions:
- I know i will shed some fat on t3, but would i loose a lot of muscle or stop gaining muscle on the 4 weeks period on t3 (since ill be using a relatively low dose)? Im still unsure if ill add the t3, i just want to know how it will effect my bf%, and if ill still gain muscle mass while on t3? Doubt it especially with anabolic support.
- Would i bloat at all from the test, since im taking Adex EoD 0.5mg? Depends. .5 EOD would be a good preventative dose. Address your diet/AI intake accordingly if bloat occurs.
- Is HCG needed during my PCT? or would my current PCT bring my HTPA back to normal? [im not sure if i can get my hands on HCG atm ] You will be fine without it. On cycle won't hurt.
- Can clen be used ramping up to 100mcg, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off? It can be but it all depends on your bodies own tolerance for the substance.

Thank You for the Help!

What is your cycle history? Training history?
What's with the reload and deload of your Test?

[Gramao]

Ive been training since i was 17 y.o starting lifting weights seriously for football, and begun living a healthy lifestyle etc...
My first cycle was almost a year ago i used some Dbol and test e for about 6-7 weeks (when i didnt have much knowledge on AAS). That changed when i came and kept reading and reading on this helpful board!!
Oh and i was flowing Ron's post on reloading and deloading. He was saying that the body adapts to AAS just after the initial 8 week period so a deload should occur and restart it over again...
HP have you personally used T3 before? How were your results/ doage?
ty HP.

[HawaiianPride.]

You don't need to taper up and down. Stick with a steady 400mg at the very most. There shouldn't be a reason you can't reach your goals with a dose any higher than this.

[Gramao]

HP have you personally used T3 before? How were your results/ doage?

I will drop the dosage to 400mg test e throughout the 14 weeks.

Hp all the rest of the; Suppliments, Dosages, AAS and PCT looks all good as is?

[HawaiianPride.]

I've never had to resort to thyroid preparations.

If you are doing a 14 week cycle you can start the Var at weeks 1-6 and finish weeks 10-16, that's what I would do.

Be sure to divide your t3 and var evenly through the day to keep blood levels more uniform.

[Gramao]

No worries. Thanks!

[D7M]

No need to split the T3 dose throughout the day. Once a day is fine with cytomel.

And yes, you can still put on muscle with a low dose of T3 while on cycle.

T3 at 40-50mcg/ED will increase metabolic rate, and just as importantly, increase protein synthesis.

And I tend to think your cycle is over-complicated for a second cycle.

[Gramao]

No need to split the T3 dose throughout the day. Once a day is fine with cytomel.

And yes, you can still put on muscle with a low dose of T3 while on cycle.

T3 at 40-50mcg/ED will increase metabolic rate, and just as importantly, increase protein synthesis.

And I tend to think your cycle is over-complicated for a second cycle.

Yeah i think the half life of Cytomel is 2.5 days, so once a day is fine (i don't know if ill split the dose up [morning & night], for a more stable blood level) but with Var on the other-hand i will dose it when i wake up and pre-workout (6pm).

So taking t3 at 50mcg will still allow me to put on 10lb of lean muscle with that cycle?

HP you said my PCT is fine as is, but i think i can get only ONE amp from a friend of HCG 5000IU! How would i use it during PCT? During Wk 17, 2 shots of HCG @ 2500iu 4 Days apart? Would it even do much? lol.

My source also gave me some blue hearts (50) on the house, should i take 2 a day for 3-4 weeks, to kick off? Or should i save it for my next cycle? I'm just staring at them and drooling lol

Yeah d7m it is getting kinda complicated ...

Thanks for the input Fellas!

[D7M]

You're correct, T3's half life is 2.5 days. So no need to break it up during the day, really.

Yes split the var AM/PM. No need to specifically take pre-workout.

I'm not saying you will put on 10lb of lean muscle with that cycle. I'm just saying it's theoretically possible to add muscle with AAS and T3.

Don't add the dbol. You're cycle is complicated enough.

[Gramao]

Thanks for the info. What about the HCG question?

[HawaiianPride.]

PCT will be good as is man, no need for HCG.

[Gramao]

Thanks! Sorry if i'm a picky F!@#... lol

[Swifto]

PCT will be good as is man, no need for HCG.

Why not?

You think 17 weeks of shutdown isnt going to cause testicular dysfunction?

[HawaiianPride.]

He asked if it should be needed during his PCT, not while on or if atrophy occurs. His PCT is fine as is. However if atrophy occurs or if he wants to make for a speedy recovery then yes use it accordingly. Any cycle spread out like his should be accompanied with HCG along side with their anabolics.

[Swifto]

He asked if it should be needed during his PCT, not while on or if atrophy occurs. His PCT is fine as is. However if atrophy occurs or if he wants to make for a speedy recovery then yes use it accordingly. Any cycle spread out like his should be accompanied with HCG along side with their anabolics.

If its not used during the cycle, then it should be incorporated during PCT.

The testes need to be addressed directly at some stage.

HCG is essential at some point in the 17 weeks. Used alongside (better IMO) or before PCT as a pre-PCT.

[Gramao]

So Swifto, you recon i get that Amp of HCG, (2x 2500 IU), those two shots will still be better than nothing you recon to jump start those testies? I cant get enough of it so its not possible for me to take it during cycle only during PCT.

[Swifto]

If you can only get that amount, I'd go with 250ius/ED for 10 days.

If you want to know how to make that more manageable, read my 'HCG how important is it' thread.

[Gramao]

ty Swift,
but I've got to use it quickly (within a few doses) cause i cant keep it in the fridge, if the misses sees the HCG and needles she will freak lol....