Check these two cycles!

[tylerfromPA]

Okay, after MUCH research and testimonials I have finally come up with two cycles I plan to run in the next six months.
Stats:
25
5'11'
185
BF = 11%-12% (will ideally be near 8 or 9 when I start the first)
Cycle history: sust250 @ 600MG 10weeks

THE FIRST:
Test E 600MG 7 weeks
Dianabol 30MG ED week 1-4
PCT: Nolva 50 MG first 7 days 20 MG next 14

going to wait roughly 2 months then start this one:

SECOND:
Test E 600MG 10 weeks
Winstrol 50 MG ED week 6 - 10
PCT:
Nolva 50MG first 7 20MG next 14
Clomi 50MG first 7 days 20MG next 14

Good?

Also please help: I want to run Clen with 2nd cycle? when should I! during cycle or after PCT?

[D7M]

age?

[D7M]

7 weeks for a long ester is too short.

If it's your first cycle, you'll grow just fine on 400mg/wk.

60mg/ED of dbol is ridiculous and you don't need it. 25-40mg/ED is more like it.

You're going to need to wait more than two months to start another cycle.

You'll have to do your PCT, wait, get blood work, and see where you're at.

You don't need Tren on your second cycle either.

[tylerfromPA]

age: 25 (added above)
should I do test C for the first one then?
and will drop the dbol to those dosages, thanks for the input
and i plan on doing all that in the mean time, once bloodwork is regular i'll wait about another month then start up #2
and yeah just added tren in there to see what the vets thought, since you say it's no good I'll remove.

[tylerfromPA]

Also still looking for an answer on when to use the clen... anyone?

[MBMETC]

cyp is also long esther test, if you want to run a shorter cycle look into test prop
test only with good diet and strong work out program is all you should need

[tylerfromPA]

ahh yes duh prop is what i need with prop would a 7 week cycle be acceptable though?

[MBMETC]

eight would be a good choice, keep i nmind with prop ypu will be pinning everyday
why not just run a test e 12 week 500mg pw cycle?

[jerseyboy811]

I'd say run the test longer like 10-12 weeks and time off should equal time on cycle plus pct though blood work will really tell you when you can start again. If you only want a 7 week cycle you should use a shorter estered test like prop or sust but you're going to need to be shooting more.

[tylerfromPA]

a 7 week cycle is just the only way I can work it in my schedule, but I should be able to push it to 8 weeks just to be safe.

[tylerfromPA]

hmmm. would sust be acceptable then? (for a 7 -8 week cycle) pinning ED would be quite a hassle with prop..

[HawaiianPride.]

You are my height and still floating in the 180's. If your goal is to bulk then you should re-address other variables first before you think you need to resort to drugs to get past your current stats.

Reason being you are so far from your natural potential that once you introduce these compounds into your body you will more than likely respond very positively and initially make great gains, (since you didn't need these compounds to begin with because you could have easily made these gains naturally) but once the esters drop you will more than likely loose most of what you've gained because of a lack of a strong diet or otherwise as your backbone.

Whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear, your body isn’t going to be prepared and it will fight you to keep or maintain all that radical mass. It will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and CNS, causing all to be very susceptible to injury. It takes time to build muscle, and over this time everything else will be growing and getting stronger as well, so eventually all will balance out.

Don't short cut to get to where he could have gotten naturally. This will only lead to disappointment and burn a hole in your wallet in the end.

[MBMETC]

you dont seem to have a solid plan in order,maybe your not ready to cycle just yet.
looking over your op at 5'11'' 185 you should be able to grow more natuarlly. if you xan only dedicate 7 weeks to a cycle how are you gonna dedicate time to your pct and training to keep your gains?

[tylerfromPA]

I respect your opinion very much hawaiian, but please do not take offense when I disregard it. I've spent years tweaking my diet, and I believe it is currently near perfect, and have been lifting for almost ten years. I have never lifted to bulk, almost always to build lean muscle and believe that I have done a good job at that, naturally. Recently I attempted to bulk, but I gained equal amounts of fat and LBM, which I did not like. So now, I'm attempting to bulk via AAS and it is proving very effective. I am building the type of muscle I want, and holding it. I very much believe I have reached my natural potential, and saw moderate gains with my first cycle, and I held them rather well. I understand the risks and am willing to take them, and I am aware that growing too fast could severely injure me, that's why i'm taking it slow, adding one more compound at a time and keeping test levels moderately low. Regardless of what responses I get I will use more or less the same cycles I have posted above, so please, take that in stride and help me keep them safe and as effective as possible rather than purely trying to deter me.

[HawaiianPride.]

No worries just food for thought. At least you read and took it into consideration rather than attacking.

Good luck.

[tylerfromPA]

still need clen help please...

[shennen]

I'd say run the test longer like 10-12 weeks and time off should equal time on cycle plus pct though blood work will really tell you when you can start again. If you only want a 7 week cycle you should use a shorter estered test like prop or sust but you're going to need to be shooting more.

Short estered test like sust?

[tylerfromPA]

still need a little help!

[codeegee]

Dude, your stats are fairly close to mine. (6'0, 195lbs, 11%BF) and I'll be running a 12 week @ 400mg test e weekly + weeks 1-4 40mg ED of dbol very soon.

If you are gonna go ahead with a cycle, stick with your first one but add 3-5 weeks of test E. Worry about your 2nd cycle after you're done with the first one. Finish your 10-12 weeks, do the proper PCT, reanalyze your results and let your body fully recover. When you're ready for the second one, ask about it then? Or am I missing something... :/