Increase Deca while on cycle?

**search4truth** · 10-22-2010, 02:54 AM

I'm finishing 5th wk of 14 wk cycle: Sust250 250mg 2xwk, Deca 200mg ew, started Tamoxifen 20mg ed in wk 4 and reducing to 10mg ed.

Question: Should I increase the weekly Deca dose? Reading indicates 200mg ew may not be enough. If so, should the Sust250 be increased as well?

Have been training heavily for three years straight. Excellent diet.
198 lbs
5'11"
39 yrs
bf 10-12%
Did 14 wk cycle of EQ last summer with some success.

Would appreciate your constructive input.

**Ernst** · 10-22-2010, 03:18 AM

So this is your second cycle?

I would not raise the sust. I wouldn't bother raising the deca . Granted, at that dose it isn't doing anything fantastic in an anabolic capacity, but it's not doing nothing, either. If you aren't experiencing any negative sides that can be attributed to the deca I see no reason why you would tempt them to arise. Especially if you are not already prepared with caber or the like. Besides, 700mg/wk of anabolics is plenty. Save the higher doses for later.

**search4truth** · 10-22-2010, 03:29 AM

Sounds good. Seeing great results already. May just continue on with it. Is caber an anti-progesterone?

Check out my post cycle please. Suggestions?

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
4 20mgs/day---------- 20mgs/day----------
5 20mgs/day---------------------------------
6 20mgs/day---------------------------------

**BigIce** · 10-22-2010, 03:32 AM

My best friend just finished the same type of cycle.
Sust 500 mg a week and Deca 200 mg a week.

He was at least 220 lbs when he started and made amazing gains from it.

Deca takes awhile to get going, at week 5 my friend had not made much gain but it really picked up after that.

Give it some time, Deca does its job

**Ernst** · 10-22-2010, 03:35 AM

I have zero experience with that pct, and it is not what I would recommend. Check out Swifto's pct: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dated-08-12-09) That one I do have some experience with, and do recommend.

**BigIce** · 10-22-2010, 03:36 AM

I would not use HCG during PCT, but during the last part of the cycle, then stop and start PCT

**Ernst** · 10-22-2010, 03:38 AM

A write-up on Caber by TITANIUM: http://forums.steroid.com/entry.php?...er-Information

While it would seem unnecessary for you at this juncture, a little knowledge never hurt anyone. Better you learn now than struggle later. I should point out there are other options besides caber, and a good AI is always our first line of defense... blah, blah, blah.

**search4truth** · 10-22-2010, 03:40 AM

I'll check out that link Angst. Thanks

**search4truth** · 10-22-2010, 04:07 AM

One more question...big mistake to use Arimidex along with Tomoxifen? Having trouble procuring Aromasin

**Ernst** · 10-22-2010, 04:29 AM

Big mistake? No, not really. The only problem is that they are counter indicated as one reduces the effectiveness of the other. I can't honestly remember the details, but a search should find it for you. As long as you are aware of this, no problem.

**dec11** · 10-22-2010, 11:11 AM

i would raise that deca to 400mg for good effect, ive done it at 200mg, 400mg, 600mg and 900mg ( def dont advise the latter!!!) currently on 200mg deca along with my trt, for joint relief. i feel alittle more strenght but thats about it, 400mg-600mg i found to be best for gains, 400mg would be optimal for you on a 2nd cycle then you could gauge how it went for future cycles.

**search4truth** · 10-22-2010, 01:52 PM

Thanks dec11 and angst. Will condider it.
Looks like I'll keep Sust250 at 500mg ew and up Deca to 300mg ew.

Questioin: Vitamin B-6 recommended when taking Deca to offset progesterone related side effects (from WARMachine's well-known post). How much B-6? What form?

Learning here.
Thanks again.