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    good read

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    I;m going to start refering the newbs that want to go all out on a third cycle to this thread. Somehow I'[ve never read it before
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    Great read. I agree 100%. Kinda dumb every cycle upping the dose. My first cycle I ran 400mg and this/now my second cycle Im running 500mg's, but I DO NOT plan on running more then this for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto View Post
    HOW MANY F*CKING TIMES!!! GROW INTO YOUR DOSE!!

    Lately, I've been getting PM's of member's giving me their stats of 170lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs, 220lbs etc... Some of the guys UNDER 200lbs are using 750-1000mg/wk Testosterone .

    Thats radiculas...

    If your still gaining off of 250-500mg/wk Test Enan when your cycle is coming to an end, stick with that dose next. Even if your gains have slowed, stick with the dose.

    A 1st cycle doesn't have to be 500mg/wk.

    A 2nd cycle doesn't HAVE to be 750mg/wk.

    A 3rd cycle doesn't HAVE to be 1g/wk... And so on.

    The TOTAL ANDROGEN AMOUNT also needs to be taken into account. Not just exogenous testosterone. 500mg/wk Test Enan + 400mg/wk Deca = 900mg/wk total AAS.

    There are far too many members here on high doses and not growing into the dose.

    Large doses cause more problems, thats a fact. Increased BP, lipid problems, increase RBC, added liver and kidney stress, etc...

    I understand doses slow in a cycle. Thats due to a number of reasons and mechanisms. Not changing the training protocol, not increasing kals, changes in AR coactivators and corepressor's, myostatin, we dont know is the answer fully to why gains stop or slow yet.

    So grow INTO your dose. Dont be afraid to use the same dose again and again until you have added a fair amount of LBM, then think about adding additional compounds or increasing the dose.

    You should make this a sticky unless you already done so...

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    For a first time cycle.
    Could you ease it up during the cycle or is that not recommended?
    Im not sure whether to start between 250-300 and if im finding my body is fine with 250mg mid way id up it.

    Please advise if this is a silly idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joegunner
    For a first time cycle.
    Could you ease it up during the cycle or is that not recommended?
    Im not sure whether to start between 250-300 and if im finding my body is fine with 250mg mid way id up it.

    Please advise if this is a silly idea.
    What are you looking to run?

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    Great thread Swifto!
    I totally agree, anybody who is below their genetic potential should stay @ circa 100mg/week. That coming from endogenous testosterone production.

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    yet another vote for making this a stickie

    Great info Swifto thanks

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    any advice on short cycles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super [W]hormone View Post
    any advice on short cycles?

    Short Burst Cycling- Explained

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.UMIlnqzX_fs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super [W]hormone
    any advice on short cycles?
    Trying to get some advice on a cycle, I've done plenty of cycles but been off for bout a year but since have started taking Prozac and adderall, I have a hybrid cycle of tren ,test,and deca I want to take! Any thoughts on taking this cycle with these

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    Good post Swifto, a lot of the guys I know always think they need to increase to obtain the gains they got previously

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    Great post as usual Swifto. I see alot of guys taking the advice of the local dealers and using to early, with another AAS, and more than double recommended dose.

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    Man great read for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum11 View Post
    I hope you aren't referring to me on this post, because you misread my post...or I didn't explain it clear enough, but I said I up'd to 750 after no gains just to see if it worked. I started sust at 250 on first cycle and a few after that, and ran 375 for the longest time. I like to run test at 4-500 max.
    Me too !! 250mg every three days wasnt really working for me. I bumped it up to 375mg every three days for the last month, thats when i really noticed it. Before that, it was like.....WTF?? I weigh 225LBs. 6'2". 39yrs old. I wanted to run the lower dose all the way through, but it wasnt working. If i hadnt of bumped it up, I feel i may have been disappointed with the final results. Yes I am new. Yes I value the advice of people with experience. And yes I listen to that advice. However in my opinion, I think that when you are taking AAS, it should actually feel different, and i went for three months wondering what was up before i upped my dosage. Then it was like.... BAMM !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Chief 12th View Post
    250mg every three days wasnt really working for me.
    My buddy had same issues. He had next to no gains with 250mg every three days. He cranked up dose and has had some good gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerspawn View Post
    My buddy had same issues. He had next to no gains with 250mg every three days. He cranked up dose and has had some good gains.
    The point of this thread is that you should be using the minimum amount of gear that will illicit the desired response. Needlessly taking too much gear is just going to cause problems. If you need to take more than 250mg E3D, then you need to take more.

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    what happened to swifto. he doesnt post anything anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granovich
    what happened to swifto. he doesnt post anything anymore!
    I believe he was banned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
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    I like this thread.. Something I believe strongly in.

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    Lookin pretty shredded there mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj111 View Post
    Lookin pretty shredded there mick
    Thanks CJ..nothing but celery and lettuce.

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    This is really important! I'm glad I read it now, and I wish I had read it even before.

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    Ok so question. If I'm doing sts and my blast looks like this
    Week 1-8: 500 mg test e
    Week 9-10: 250mg test e
    Week 11-18: 750mg test e
    Week 19-20: 250mg test e
    Week 21-24: pct
    Then no aas till week 30. On my second blast I should go back to 500 and see if I notice gains. On the off chance I don't then bump it to 750. Right?

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    That cycle is stupid. Not even going to touch why it is so. Do more research before you hurt yourself.

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