my second cycle (winter bulk)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I won't be starting until december 5th, but I figure I might as well get feedback now.

5'9 197lbs estimated 10% bf
age 25

my first cycle was test prop at 75mg ED (525mg per week) for 9 weeks and went from 180lbs to 200lbs with barely any added fat



this is my plan for the second

week 1-9 test prop: 80mg ED (560mg per week)
week 1-9 NPP: 60mg ED (420mg per week)

Should I modify anything or does it look good? I won't use a pct because I am essentially on HRT, just not prescribed

[marcus300]

Why are you on HRT at 25yrs old?

If you gained 20lbs without any added bf from your first cycle I would just repeat your first cycle again, excellent gains and IMHO there isnt any need for adding further compounds.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

low natural test similar to an 80 year old man

any other feedback?

[big_ron]

Why are you on HRT at 25yrs old?

If you gained 20lbs without any added bf from your first cycle I would just repeat your first cycle again, excellent gains and IMHO there isnt any need for adding further compounds.

X 2, i dont think you need any other feed back, run that cycle again, you seem to respond well to test

[AlphaMaleDawg]

The thing is I'm cruising on 200mg of enanthate so I fear my results will be somewhat disappointing if I were to only increase the test dose by 225mgs on a weekly basis from what I'm used to. Any thoughts on this?

[marcus300]

So you have only just gone on HRT after your last cycle?

what are your test levels?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

So you have only just gone on HRT after your last cycle?

what are your test levels?

Yes

Total Test was 320 the first time then 313 6 months later. I've been over this on here many times so it is what it is.

Do you still think I should stick to the same dose and not use NPP?

[BG]

Yes

Total Test was 320 the first time then 313 6 months later. I've been over this on here many times so it is what it is.

Do you still think I should stick to the same dose and not use NPP?

you seem to have it a figured out from your responses so why even ask. Hrt and cruising are two totally different things, your making yourself sound stupid

[AlphaMaleDawg]

you seem to have it a figured out from your responses so why even ask. Hrt and cruising are two totally different things, your making yourself sound stupid

Stfu. Its cruising that will lead to hrt. If I figured it out, I wouldn't have made a thread asking how my cycle looks. I want cycle advice, not a life coach

[MrO_55]

wow great gains on your first cycle bro.

like marcus suggested i would stick to just running the test again, you seemed to respond quite well to it. but perhaps increase your dose this time

just my .02

[AlphaMaleDawg]

wow great gains on your first cycle bro.

like marcus suggested i would stick to just running the test again, you seemed to respond quite well to it. but perhaps increase your dose this time

just my .02

Thanks I appreciate it. It was a beautiful cycle. So you think I'm better off increasing Ted as opposed to adding another compound? I was kind of hoping to not have to really increase test until later. I didn't have any sides though besides minor chest and shoulder acne though so maybe... Or I can keep the same dose

[MrO_55]

i think that would be up to you. but if it were me id break it down to 2 options and then make a decision

1) Test prop with an increased dose
or
2) test prop at the same dose, but add an oral (dbol, anadrol)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

i think that would be up to you. but if it were me id break it down to 2 options and then make a decision

1) Test prop with an increased dose
or
2) test prop at the same dose, but add an oral (dbol, anadrol)

well to tell you the truth, this would technically be my third cycle. My first was dbol only for 30 days but only because my test-e was fake. I didn't plan for it that way. But I didn't really like dbol. It made me look fat due to the water retention. I want to use prop and npp because they don't retain water and aren't hard on the liver. Maybe a lower dose npp but keep the test dose the same? I hear mixed things on the ideal starting dose for npp

[MACHINE5150]

Equipose would be a good choice too.. if you are concerned with water retention.. I don't know anything about NPP so i can not comment on it..

[MrO_55]

To be honest man i don't have any experience with NPP, sorry.

Being your 3rd cycle I don't see why adding another drug would hurt. But if you want to add something else I'd keep the test dose the same as your last cycle.

Hopefully someone can chime in with some advise on NPP

best of luck bro

[MACHINE5150]

primobolan is a great choice too.. if you can afford it

[BG]

Ass****, if you did one cycle how the hell did cruising lead to hrt, your not making any fuc'n sense here. Did you even try pct or are one of those guys that " I dont care if I have to inject myself for the rest of my life?"

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Equipose would be a good choice too.. if you are concerned with water retention.. I don't know anything about NPP so i can not comment on it..

I don't see how EQ would be a good idea since I would need to run it 16 weeks for it to have any purpose and running prop with it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Plus I feel like npp is more of a sure thing than EQ which many people seem to dislike. Thanks for the idea though

To be honest man i don't have any experience with NPP, sorry.

Being your 3rd cycle I don't see why adding another drug would hurt. But if you want to add something else I'd keep the test dose the same as your last cycle.

Hopefully someone can chime in with some advise on NPP

best of luck bro

thanks bud appreciate it

primobolan is a great choice too.. if you can afford it

hmm what makes you say that? I haven't even considered that one

Ass****, if you did one cycle how the hell did cruising lead to hrt, your not making any fuc'n sense here. Did you even try pct or are one of those guys that " I dont care if I have to inject myself for the rest of my life?"

try living the rest of your life with the testosterone of an 80 year man and be unable to make any further gains in the gym. Yea that's right, you wouldn't want to either, nor would you want to take cialis before sex the rest of the your life (not that I know anything about your sex life). I see no point in attempting a pct just to bring my natural test back to 300. I at least had the brains to see a doctor before deciding what I wanted to do with MY LIFE (not yours).

Now if you have no cycle advice, please leave your unwanted opinion out of this thread since you don't have to deal with what I have to

[BG]

test levels of 300+ are what an 80 year old has, you have no fuc'n idea what your talking about.

[BG]

300-900 are considered normal. You never gave your body a chance to recover so you assume you need hrt. All I hear you doing is making up lame excuses to stay on, same old shit.

[MACHINE5150]

I don't see how EQ would be a good idea since I would need to run it 16 weeks for it to have any purpose and running prop with it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Plus I feel like npp is more of a sure thing than EQ which many people seem to dislike. Thanks for the idea though

hmm what makes you say that? I haven't even considered that one

EQ does not have to be run for 16 weeks.. that is the same theory that Deca has to be run just as long.. that is nonesense.. it is fine in a ten week cycle.. you just need to run the prop for three weeks after and then start PCT

Primobolan was supposedly Arnolds drug of choice.. it gives good clean quality gains.. like a shorter estered non-water retenting deca.. read up on it.. i think you will like.. Its a bit tough to find as Schering is the only one that makes it and they all come in amps.. but supposedly it is the cleanest steroid on the market.. i got loads of them when i went to Turkey last july.. saving them for my next cycle.. which is gonna be 100mg prop 100mg primo ED for twelve weeks

[AlphaMaleDawg]

test levels of 300+ are what an 80 year old has, you have no fuc'n idea what your talking about.

300-900 are considered normal. You never gave your body a chance to recover so you assume you need hrt. All I hear you doing is making up lame excuses to stay on, same old shit.

can you gtfo already? lol @ thinking it's normal. Yea maybe on that retarded range they use but we all know (except you apparently) that it's bull$hit. This is why it's so hard for me to create threads here because every fukcing time, I have to explain my situation. Usually people understand though. I guess you don't. And even if I was "looking for excuses to stay on," (which I am not), it shouldn't be any of your business anyways

Please don't reply anymore because I feel as if I am lowering myself to having to explain something to some anonymous tough guy on the internet

EQ does not have to be run for 16 weeks.. that is the same theory that Deca has to be run just as long.. that is nonesense.. it is fine in a ten week cycle.. you just need to run the prop for three weeks after and then start PCT

Primobolan was supposedly Arnolds drug of choice.. it gives good clean quality gains.. like a shorter estered non-water retenting deca.. read up on it.. i think you will like.. Its a bit tough to find as Schering is the only one that makes it and they all come in amps.. but supposedly it is the cleanest steroid on the market.. i got loads of them when i went to Turkey last july.. saving them for my next cycle.. which is gonna be 100mg prop 100mg primo ED for twelve weeks

I just hear so many better things about NPP as opposed to EQ and primo. Besides I already have 4 vials so the choice is really whether to use test only again or to add the NPP to it.

[big_ron]

300-900 are considered normal. You never gave your body a chance to recover so you assume you need hrt. All I hear you doing is making up lame excuses to stay on, same old shit.

What happened to the no flaming rules?

I dont see why you's are getting so worked up about it.

[big_ron]

Alpha Keeping at the same test dose as you cruise on and adding npp is a good idea, maybe raise the test a little tho (300mg) and add 400mg of Npp, i have just my self started a prop/npp cycle, im only 3 days in so i cant really give you any feed back on how it is going. So low dose of test and npp would be great for a second cycle

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Alpha Keeping at the same test dose as you cruise on and adding npp is a good idea, maybe raise the test a little tho (300mg) and add 400mg of Npp, i have just my self started a prop/npp cycle, im only 3 days in so i cant really give you any feed back on how it is going. So low dose of test and npp would be great for a second cycle

thanks definitely glad you posted here since you are doing a similar cycle. I will probably PM you in a couple of weeks or so to see how it is working for you. Why don't you think I should use the same prop dose at my previous cycle though? I kind of don't want to deal with potential prolactin issues if I go with a higher dose of NPP. Of course it may not be an issue but it's still risky. My body responds great to test so I don't see why I shouldn't just use the 75mg ed like I was doing on cycle. Maybe using npp at 400mg could be a nice addition I would think...

[big_ron]

No worries man id be happy to let you know how i am going. Im logging my cycle so you can see it on here anyway.

Well think about it like this, your last cycle was 560mg per week = 560mg of gear. if you run the same test dose and add 400mg of npp, your total androgen for the cycle would be 960mg per week. Which is a big jump from 1st to second cycle. where as if you run 300mg of test + 400mg npp = 700mg of total gear per week. remember its not the amount of mg per compound but the total amount of gear.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

No worries man id be happy to let you know how i am going. Im logging my cycle so you can see it on here anyway.

Well think about it like this, your last cycle was 560mg per week = 560mg of gear. if you run the same test dose and add 400mg of npp, your total androgen for the cycle would be 960mg per week. Which is a big jump from 1st to second cycle. where as if you run 300mg of test + 400mg npp = 700mg of total gear per week. remember its not the amount of mg per compound but the total amount of gear.

nah first cycle was 525mg of test but it was prop so it was slightly more powerful mg for mg than enanthate. It was kind of a high-ish starting dose I'll admit. But yea total amount of gear is definitely something to consider. I do want to be careful about going too high in dosages too soon. What about not using NPP but using perhaps 650mg or so of prop only?

[big_ron]

nah first cycle was 525mg of test but it was prop so it was slightly more powerful mg for mg than enanthate. It was kind of a high-ish starting dose I'll admit. But yea total amount of gear is definitely something to consider. I do want to be careful about going too high in dosages too soon. What about not using NPP but using perhaps 650mg or so of prop only?

Sorry i read wrong, Completely your choice man, i wouldn't got above 650mg tho. Why not stick to what you know works?

[Kdub]

Hi Alpha,

I found out in a hurry that NPP is the best muscle building compound for me last year when I cycled for the first time in 13 years.

I ran:

Wk 1-9: Prop 600 mg
Wk 1-4: Npp 450 mg
Wk 1-4 40 mg Dbol

I ran out of NPP and switched to Mast and over to Var dropping the Dbol for the final 5 weeks.

The worst thing that could have happen to me was running out of NPP.

I was not impressed with Mast or Var except the strength Var gave me. I didn't have to run Dbol either. It was too much.

The NPP is simply incredible and only on 75 mg ED (6 on and 1 off). There was no need to run anything other than Prop and NPP. I gained 24 lbs in the first 21 days (with minimum bloat - low carb diet and adex squeezed out 1-3 lbs of water) and when I reached the 30 day mark and dropped the NPP and Dbol, I added another few pounds by day 30, maintained most of these gains until end of cycle. I added just under 30 lbs but lost 2-3 lbs once I dropped the NPP and Dbol. I started at 215 and peaked at 243. I am 6ft and have trained for over 25 years.

If I would have kept the NPP going the full 9 weeks I can only speculate what the final weight gain would have been (kicking myself).

Now, this sounds like an endorsement to run NPP. What I learned from this is that I am not a big fan of test and if I cycle again I will keep test at 250 mg per week and run NPP again at the same dose, 450 mg per week, and run it for 8 weeks IF I do not Prime and Burst Cycle for 30 days.

Tai Boxia [sp] also likes to run a HRT dose of test but run the Nors and Dhts way higher. I have gotten to the point where after experimentation, I too will take this route.

Marcus and others look at cycling from a helicopter view. Use what gives you results and don't deviate far from this and in the context of using as little and as few compounds as possible = responsible/ mature cycling. Keep It Simple Stupid. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Perhaps try the last cycle over again but now that you have read my NPP advertisement and are intent on giving it a go, you could try:

Prop 50 mg ED
NPP 50 mg ED

Let us know what you have decided and your progress.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Hi Alpha,

I found out in a hurry that NPP is the best muscle building compound for me last year when I cycled for the first time in 13 years.

I ran:

Wk 1-9: Prop 600 mg
Wk 1-4: Npp 450 mg
Wk 1-4 40 mg Dbol

I ran out of NPP and switched to Mast and over to Var dropping the Dbol for the final 5 weeks.

The worst thing that could have happen to me was running out of NPP.

I was not impressed with Mast or Var except the strength Var gave me. I didn't have to run Dbol either. It was too much.

The NPP is simply incredible and only on 75 mg ED (6 on and 1 off). There was no need to run anything other than Prop and NPP. I gained 24 lbs in the first 21 days (with minimum bloat - low carb diet and adex squeezed out 1-3 lbs of water) and when I reached the 30 day mark and dropped the NPP and Dbol, I added another few pounds by day 30, maintained most of these gains until end of cycle. I added just under 30 lbs but lost 2-3 lbs once I dropped the NPP and Dbol. I started at 215 and peaked at 243. I am 6ft and have trained for over 25 years.

If I would have kept the NPP going the full 9 weeks I can only speculate what the final weight gain would have been (kicking myself).

Now, this sounds like an endorsement to run NPP. What I learned from this is that I am not a big fan of test and if I cycle again I will keep test at 250 mg per week and run NPP again at the same dose, 450 mg per week, and run it for 8 weeks IF I do not Prime and Burst Cycle for 30 days.

Tai Boxia [sp] also likes to run a HRT dose of test but run the Nors and Dhts way higher. I have gotten to the point where after experimentation, I too will take this route.

Marcus and others look at cycling from a helicopter view. Use what gives you results and don't deviate far from this and in the context of using as little and as few compounds as possible = responsible/ mature cycling. Keep It Simple Stupid. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Perhaps try the last cycle over again but now that you have read my NPP advertisement and are intent on giving it a go, you could try:

Prop 50 mg ED
NPP 50 mg ED

Let us know what you have decided and your progress.

hey I really appreciate the feedback. I feel like I would gain pretty well again on the same cycle again, but I think I would gain more if I added the NPP to the mix. Everything I read about it has been excellent and you have only helped the cause since you like it so much. It's one of those things where I have it here at home and I'm kind of eager to give it a run. I'm just wondering about Big Ron's point where I would be adding 400mg extra total gear per week if I added the NPP at that dose (instead of 450mg).

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Right now I'm thinking of doing this instead

prop 70mg ED (490mg per week)
npp 60mg ED (420mg per week)

that only puts me at 380mg total gear higher than last time per week. I'm just weary of sexual performance issues