need help.. please only reply if you know what you are talking about thanks..

[tommysupra13]

I am 25 yrs old, over the summer I was on a cycle of test. (First 12 weeks test E, and last two weeks on test P). 500 ccs of test e a week.. This was my first cycle. At the end of the cycle I started PCT with clomid/novladex. And 1 HCG shot each week of 1000 IUs. I was only able to do the PCT for two weeks because it made me sick so I stopped it. After about a week my body went back to normal. It stayed normal for about a month. At this time I decided to take liquid letro because I was still retaining some water. I took about 6mls of liquid letro spread out over a week and a half. The water did go down, but a few days later I started noticing a pain in my balls. I figured the pain would just go away and the letro was responsible for it., but persisted for over a week. I finally went to the urologist and told him everything that I took. He examined me and said everything looks normal, sent me for a sonogram and when that came back he said it was normal too... Its been over a month now and the pain has not gone away!! It is not a constant pain. It comes and goes. Its in both of my testicles, it gets agravated sometimes when I bend over. It seems to me that my balls did not drop all the way down to their normal position. They also seem a little bit swollen. NOW ..WHAT SHOULD I DO? I have another 5000 IUs of HCG. Should I take it? If so how much should I take and on what schedule? OR should I go back to the doctor?? ANY advice would be greatly appreciated

[MBMETC]

First I think you meant 500 mgs not 500 cc per week, did you consider the possibility of a hernia?

[cro]

doctor would have noticed

[tommysupra13]

Yes 500 mgs my mistake, yes I did think of that but doctor said it would of shown in the sonogram, my test levels all seem fine, I didn't get them tested or anything but my strength is normal and I don't have any problems with erections or anything. When I first got on the test like the first 2 to 3 weeks of injecting I noticed a similar pain but everyone told me that it was just my natural test shutting down and that it was normal and would go away when the test kicks in, which it did go away. But now I've been off cycle since august and these pains have returned and they are worse. Its like a tight pinching feeling right at the top sides of my balls. I notice it a lot in the morning when I wake up, and it continues to cycle throughout the day. The pain will last for about 10 to 15 minutes then it will go away. It occurs sometimes in the right testicle by its self , then sometimes in the left by its self, and sometimes both at the same time. I really don't think its a hernia but it is odd that it starts hurting when I bend down. My guess is that I have some sort of circulation issue going on OR my balls didn't drop all the way and when I bend down that is stretching and putting stress on my balls causing pain. But don't get me wrong this pain doesn't come just from bending down. Its here all day. Bending down just sometimes aggravates it. If I do go back to the doctor what other kinds of test should I have him run??.. Test levels? Blood work? Should I get an MRI? Or should I pin the rest of the 5000 IUs of HCG that I have and see what happens?

[MBMETC]

1000iu of hcg a week is alot i think anywhere between 300-500 per week is standard if you did 1000iu p/w for 4 weeks thats like a whole cycles worth. i know nothing about hcg but did you tell the endo this, and he wasn't botherd by the dose

[BG]

i know nothing about hcg

Then why reply?

To the OP, my doctor perscribed 1000ius eod for a total of 15,000 ius for pct. Many believe more the merry when it comes to hcg during pct. Ill see of I can find Bill.L's write up about it. As far as testes hurting, its would seem theres still some atrophy going on. You could run the 5000ius of hcg you have at 300-500 ius eod and see if it will hurt.

[BG]

Heres Doctor Scallys protocol, this is what Bill.L references to...

STREET C, SCALLY MC. Pharmaceutical Intervention of Anabolic Steroid Induced
Hypogonadism - Our Success at Restoration of the HPG Axis. Medicine and Science in Sports
and Exercise 2000;32(5)Suppl.
High-dose anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) administration results in hypogonadotropic
hypogonadism (HH). Physical manifestations can include one or more of the following:
depression, decreased sexual desire, impotence, feelings of apathy, testicular atrophy, and loss of
muscle mass and strength. Due to feedback inhibition, laboratory values drop well below
established physiologic norms: luteinizing hormone (LH) >3.6 IU/L, follicle stimulating
hormone (FSH) >2.25 IU/L, and testosterone (T) >300 ng/dL. A search of the literature reveals
an absence of studies dealing specifically with AAS induced HH, and restoration of normal
endocrine function. We report on two interesting cases of AAS using bodybuilders who were
brought out of the hypogonadal state. Blood samples were taken in the morning for both subjects
and analyzed using chemiluminescence (Quest Diagnostics, Irvine, TX). Post-therapy samples
were taken 15 days after the last hCG injection. Case 1: 6'0" 206 lbs. 33 yr old Caucasian male
with a 10+ year history of steroid self-administration for bodybuilding and powerlifting. By his
own admission he was a "heavy" user, taking from 500 mg/wk to 2+ grams/wk. Pre-treatment
values: LH < 1.0 IU/L, T 191 ng/dL. One course of therapy (32 days) was given: 2,500 IU of
hCG every 4 days (8 injections total), 50 mg clomiphene bid and 10 mg tamoxifen qd. Despite
massive drug use patient was an exceptionally good responder. Post-treatment values: LH 5.2
IU/L, T 1072 ng/dL. Case 2: 5'10" 184 lbs 36 yr old Caucasian male with a 2 yr history of
continuous nandrolone use (200-400 mg/wk). Pre-values: LH < 1.0 IU/L, T 45 ng/dL. Treat 1
(32 days): 2,500 IU hCG every 4 d (8 total), clomiphene (50 mg bid) and arimidex (1 mg qd).
Post-values: LH < 1.0 IU/L, T 38 ng/dL. Treat 2 (60 days): 5,000 IU hCG every 4 days (4 inj
total) followed by 2,500 IU hCG every 4 d (4 inj total), clomiphene (50 mg bid) and tamoxifen
(10 mg qd). Post-values: LH > 1.4 IU/L, T 63 ng/dL. Treat 3 (32 days): 5,000 IU hCG qod (6 inj
total) followed by 2,500 IU hCG qod (6 inj total) given simultaneously with menotropins 150 IU
qod (6 inj total), clomiphene (50 mg bid) and tamoxifen (10 mg bid). Post-values: LH 9.8 IU/L,
T 507 ng/dL. Restoration of the HPG axis, even in severe cases of hypogonadism, is possible
with combined therapies and careful monitoring of the patient. With continued popularity of
these drugs, long-term androgen deficiency is a health concern for former AAS users. Further
research is needed in this area.

[Dont wanna be old]

The way you describe pain sounds like a hernia .
If you bear down nothing should pop out in abdomen . Doctors like to check testicles for this in a typical manor . Stick finger in area where testicle tube ascends . ( Hurts considerably being fingered )
A advanced hernia is when stomach wall becomes detached to muscle in area of groin ( to either leg area or between ) . A surgeon is one to check for this as a regular doctor is only a general practitioner .
A hernia by description is just a hole in the stomach wall . The pain is the inside pushing its way out aggravating the area or causing pain ..
This could happen when cycling as you think your a unstoppable force until you meet a unmovable object .

Enough hernia talk , hope its something simple .

As for HCG . I was prescribed 1000mg 2x/week over 2 years ago as TRT . Seemed to be over the top . I cut in 1/2 and seemed to feel what I thought was normal . Even a little less seemed to normalize sensation IMO . Diluting HCG enough that 8000iu lasts close to 3 months .

I'm not a doctor but have had 3 hernia surgeries in the last 2 years . ( abdomen looks like I had Addadicktomy surgery ). Had testicle failure since I had to stop TRT around surgery time to prevent excessive bleeding . Started up week after but did experience side effects .

Good luck
Dont wanna be old