tren cycle

**kleaver** · 11-07-2010, 11:22 AM

how does this tren cycle look?

test e/prop/omnadren (can't decide) 500mg/week
tren 75mg/eod (4xWeek)
letro .25-.5mgs/day
T3 (25mcgs/day)

not sure about pct....
start hcg , 2 weeks prior or 2weeks post last test shot
tamox

*disclaimer*
i'm not starting this cycle. just trying to put together some options- the fat-burning/anti-catabolic/anabolic properties of this stack seems good cutting without losing much mass

**baseline_9** · 11-07-2010, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by kleaver

how does this tren cycle look?

test e/prop/omnadren (can't decide) 500mg/week
tren 75mg/eod (4xWeek)
letro .25-.5mgs/day
T3 (25mcgs/day)

not sure about pct....
start hcg , 2 weeks prior or 2weeks post last test shot
tamox

*disclaimer*
i'm not starting this cycle. just trying to put together some options- the fat-burning/anti-catabolic/anabolic properties of this stack seems good cutting without losing much mass

Stats?

**kleaver** · 11-07-2010, 02:49 PM

i should just learn to keep this copied so i can paste it with any aas question

or put it in a signature. haha

age 23
ht 5'10
wt 170+ (something like 1.5-2lbs heavier i think)
clen /keto, insulin , igf-1
diet/training is solid

**stpete** · 11-07-2010, 04:17 PM

So are you saying that you've done clen /keto/slin and igf-1 before? I assume so.
Can you provide us with how many weeks you plan on running each of these compounds?

**kleaver** · 11-07-2010, 06:29 PM

10-12 weeks- pretty sure the prop comes 5amp/box... so 20 would be easy- and be 10 weeks. if i go enth, i can get it individual amps, so i can do 12

would run the tren , t3, and letro all 10-12

**hankdiesel** · 11-07-2010, 07:05 PM

170lb is pretty thin bro at your height, especially that you'vr taken insilin. Did u gain a lot of weight from it?

**kleaver** · 11-08-2010, 04:01 PM

not really

**zaneisgreat** · 11-08-2010, 04:56 PM

Why letro? I haven't used another pharmaceutical that has given me harsher sides than letro EVER. Even at tiny doses, it was just too much for me and would never consider using it on cycle just for estrogen control purposes. I would consider using it again if I ever had another gyno flare though.

**Matt** · 11-08-2010, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by zaneisgreat

Why letro? I haven't used another pharmaceutical that has given me harsher sides than letro EVER. Even at tiny doses, it was just too much for me and would never consider using it on cycle just for estrogen control purposes. I would consider using it again if I ever had another gyno flare though.

Nolva works better for gyno imo...

**Ashop** · 11-08-2010, 06:28 PM

I'd use some CLEN or ECA with the T3.

**MR-FQ320** · 11-08-2010, 10:14 PM

I'm considering a similar cycle minus the t3

**kleaver** · 11-09-2010, 10:40 AM

tren depletes t3 though, so you may want to supplement with it. but i don't know for sure, which is why i posted

***D7M*** · 11-09-2010, 11:05 AM

I think you're kinda on the light side, especially to be messing with tren .

I'm interested in your complete cycle experience as well.

**zaneisgreat** · 11-09-2010, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by D7M

I think you're kinda on the light side, especially to be messing with tren .

I'm interested in your complete cycle experience as well.

Agreed. Why are you trying to cut at your current weight? And unless you are looking for an ultimate shredded/competition look, testosterone , tren and smart dieting alone will do absolute wonders with helping you cut up (or bulk up for that matter).

I'm still confused about t3/clen /keto/insulin / igf. Are you trying to run all of these compounds too?

At any rate, You are starting to look into advanced cycling WAY too early. Your stats + pic don't reflect someone that has their diet + training in check. If you have ran a couple cycles before this (even basic ones), you are doing something fundamentally wrong.... most likely not consuming enough calories. I'm sorry - I know nobody likes to hear that.

I didn't touch tren until I was 200lbs and already very lean @ 5'10" and I still think that Test/tren/strict diet alone is a disgustingly effective combo. You could undoubtedly see some extremely favorable and dramatic body composition changes with this cycle so I think you should just keep it as simple as possible if you want to try tren. Work in other compounds later.

**kleaver** · 11-09-2010, 07:01 PM

"I'm still confused about t3/clen /keto/insulin / igf. Are you trying to run all of these compounds too?"

nah, that was just stuff that i've used in past- didn't know what i was doing with the slin (after reading threads here about how to use it well), so it doesn't really count as a full cycle i guess. haven't done an aas cycle yet with any test or tren or anything. just trying to figure out what type of cycle will be a good first one- i keep going back to just enth at 300-500/week and maybe an oral to kickstart, but probably no oral

thanks guys

**zaneisgreat** · 11-09-2010, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by kleaver

i keep going back to just enth at 300-500/week and maybe an oral to kickstart, but probably no oral

thanks guys

A simple cycle like this would be ideal... with or without the oral kickstart.

Almost no one on these boards would recommend tren for the first time around... and for good reasons. Imo, the most intimidating part of these advanced cycles is pinning many different sites every day and gauging your reactions/sides to different compounds when you are introducing multiple that you've never tried before.

Tren the first time around could and WOULD absolutely work... It's not like it would be less effective the second or third time around but you could easily be overwhelmed by sides and not know how to deal with them due to lack of experience. It would require more extensive research and preparation..... and usually a lot more cash than straight testosterone .

You're pretty lean and all (nice job with that) but at your weight, using tren would be like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight... Not really necessary.

**kleaver** · 11-10-2010, 05:20 AM

done. i was thinking tren only b'c someone gave me a fina kit he was too afraid to use

i might just make it and save it.

i don't plan on running anything more than 1-2 12weekers a year. probably just 1 long and maybe 1 or 2 short cycles.
so. maybe in a year or two i'll have to hit you up for help zane haha