Critique Appriciated - Andropen Deca

[miboleron]

Hi there,

First some stats
age 27
bf 9-10%
wieght -80 kg

Previous Cycle
week 1-8 prop 550mg a week
week 5-8 winny 40 mg ed

I am planing a bulk cycle from December. My choice is deca and test. Best bang for the buck (when it comes to test) is that blend andropen. It seems to be well designed and i assume no need for frontload here, which is another plus, because i dont want pills either.

week 1-12 Andropen 600 mg a week eod shots
week 1-12 Deca 400 mg a week shot 2-times a week
week 2-14 HCG 250 iu eod
week 2-12 tamixifen 20 -40 ed
About progresteron whats your recomendation caber r bromo? I can take them both from the pharmacy.

PCT week 15-20
1 - week tamox 40 clomid 100
2 - 5 week tamox 20 clomid 50

About deca dosage - do you think its abequate ? I mean compared to 40 mg winny is it more r less - never been on deca before. Should i go 500 a week.

Thanks in advance!!

[scotty51312]

How tall are you? Stepping up to a 19nor is a big step for a 2nd cycle. You're talking about a whole new set of side effects and how to combat them. You're talking about a gram of total AAS a week its more than you need to grow at this point in your cycle history. If you had success with test solo then run it again. Or at least lower the ammount of test. Also Swifto has a good thread on on coutering prolactin related side effects, Attacking estrogen is your first line of defense since prolactin levels seem to increase with increased estrogen levels, so for me i'll never run a 19nor without an AI and keep caber or prami on hand just in case.

[miboleron]

How tall are you? Stepping up to a 19nor is a big step for a 2nd cycle. You're talking about a whole new set of side effects and how to combat them. You're talking about a gram of total AAS a week its more than you need to grow at this point in your cycle history. If you had success with test solo then run it again. Or at least lower the ammount of test. Also Swifto has a good thread on on coutering prolactin related side effects, Attacking estrogen is your first line of defense since prolactin levels seem to increase with increased estrogen levels, so for me i'll never run a 19nor without an AI and keep caber or prami on hand just in case.

175. Its not my 2-nd cycle i just said test winny was my prevoius. AI is big problem for me - they r just too expensive and its damn hard to get letro from ar-r , cause of customs regulation in my country. However i can always buy letro, but want to try without it.

[scotty51312]

I'd prefer adex or aromasin well before letro. Letro is a last resort IMO

[miboleron]

I'd prefer adex or aromasin well before letro. Letro is a last resort IMO

So you think AI is absolute must here?

[sfour_tay]

Yes ai is a must. Any time you raise your test levels your estro levles go up as well. I dont care how small the test dose is

[BG]

Have you had estrogen problems before?

As far as dosages, I would keep your test down around 400, no need to be any higher then that and you could run thedeca at 500.

[BG]

Yes ai is a must. Any time you raise your test levels your estro levles go up as well. I dont care how small the test dose is

Yes , but you need the estrogen for the test to convert, thats why an ai is only recommended if its 100% necessary.

[miboleron]

[QUOTE=BG;5422591]Have you had estrogen problems before?



Not really. I easily fix gyno formation with tamoxifen. I was hoping to do just that now with tamox and caber, but maybe i should have to get some letro. Hope I can handle beauraucratic procedures.
Anyway lets suppose there is no test here. How much deca equals 40 mg winny ed?

[BG]

It didnt absorb huh ?

[miboleron]

It didnt absorb huh ?

Absorb what?