2nd cycle please critique

[PrairieDawg]

Here's what I'm considering for a second cycle. I haven't done a cycle since my first one in probably 6 years.


Weeks 1-4: Test Prop 75mg ED
Weeks 1-15: Test E 600mg EW
Weeks 1-12: Eq 500mg EW
Throughout: Nolvadex 40 mg ED

followed by PCT of course

Stats:
5'11, 180 lbs, 26 years old

Something I'm not sure of is the doses. I'm not sure if it's too much. My first cycle was a 10 week cycle Dbol Weeks 1-4 and Test E weeks 1-10. While I was happy with the gains I put on, I did not keep much. I've been able to put that all back on and more naturally since then but it was a long road to get there. I'm hoping with a longer cycle with prop and Eq I'll be able to keep more muscle when it's all said and done.

I've been weightlifting since I was 16. Been naturally putting on muscle with supplements for the last couple years quiet well but have hit a wall lately so I'm thinking about trying a cycle again to get through that plateau.

I'd appreciate some comments. Thannks

[Bigmax]

Looks good bro...some people may say you need a higher Eq dose but see how you respond to that first..

[Sicko]

I would post your diet in the diet forum so it can be critiqued and also what your pct is/was..most likely that is why you were not able to hold onto your gains.
I wouldnt run it 15 weeks either, 12 would be sufficient for second cycle. just because you add more compounds and run it longer does not mean you will keep your gains..IMO

[PrairieDawg]

Diet is pretty good these days. Who knows, back then maybe it wasn't as good. I honestly can't remember exactly what I was eating 6 years ago. Been reading lots of literature on muscle building diets and it has helped me improve in areas I was lacking. Could maybe use alittle tweaking here or there but overall, since I fixed it in the past year, it's been like night and day. In terms of energy and physiological improvements. I think the main factor for the loss of gains was I had a stressful period right when I came off that cycle.

My reasoning for running it longer, with the Eq, was I would be able to gain alittle more muscle out of it. Plus I was thinking the longer I'm on means I'm not losing, giving my body more time to adjust to the rapid gain. I always thought when you gain in a short period it's harder to keep that gain. I don't think 15 weeks is overly long? I wish I ran the first one longer than 10 weeks because it felt like just when I was making the solid gains the cycle was ending. Someone tell me if I'm wrong on any of this?

This is what my PCT looked like back then and I'll probably do the same this time around unless there could be an improvement somewhere?

PCT (2 weeks after last injection)
Nolvadex - 20 mg ed
Vitamin B6 - 200 mg ed
Clomid - 300 mg Day 1
100 mg day 2-11
50 mg day 12-21

[scotty51312]

IMO its a little much for a 2nd cycle. thats over a gram of test for the first 4 weeks with a half a gram of EQ. Its a good cycle I just think you'd grow with less. I had pretty good results with EQ and test at 400mg each. Strange thing about EQ people either love it or hate it. Marcus uses it to oil his bicycle chain i hear. Anyway thats just my 23 cents worth. Also in my opinion if you're going to run test e you can run the EQ up to a week before your last test E shot.

[PrairieDawg]

okay you're probably right I'll dial back the test e back 100 mg's to make it 500 each/week. Is the nolva to high? I seen somewhere it should be 20 mg's ED. Or should I be running it at 40mg ED because of the high doses of test?

[Sicko]

I think your nolva is where you want it.(in pct)I would however run HCG and some kind of AI "on cycle".
The nolva during cycle is too high IMO and that is a serm not AI..something like Aromasin would help while on cycle for estrogen control.Some might argue that the clomid is to high,but you will find that it is different from BB to BB...There are many great threads in this forum that elaborate on these points..
Hawiaan Pride gave us a EXTENSIVE thread on steriods A-Z..Check it out when you have an hour or two..

[stpete]

Looks good but i would the test for 16 weeks since you've included the EQ, and run that for 14 weeks.
You don't need 300mgs of clomid on your first day. Here's the standard PCT:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

[RoidReaper]

Bro you dont need 300mg of clomid, only run 100mg of clomid for the first few days then lower to 50.

[amcon]

eq should be run for 14 or 16 weeks, the test could be dosed 500 gms to 1000 mgs and that would be fine either way...

personally, i would skip the eq, use that money for next cycle or dbal, with this cycle,

as for the nova, run as little as possible and i wouldnt start using it till you start cing signs of side effects from the test and high estrogen

[MBMETC]

agreed, diet was at fault for your lose of gains on the first cycle nad the fact that you were able to gain it back naturally tell me you didn't need to cycle to begin with. agree with scotty to much test, you can front load with the prop and finish out with the test e but at the end of the day it probably make no differance

[PrairieDawg]

I think the reason I was able to gain the weight back naturally was more due to muscle memory then anything because I was able to put it on easier than when I cycled. It just took alittle longer because I had a hard time staying consistent due to my career keeping me from developing a regular routine for a few years. Once I was able to do that I put it on with what seemed like less effort than the first time around.

So judging by the comments on my PCT, PCT practices have changed since I last cycled. That was the standard PCT 6 years ago (had it checked 3 or 4 times over). I remember after I finished that cycle there was starting to be some debate over that 300 mg clomid on your first day. I'll do some research and post it in the PCT forum.

I'm going to go more in depth and read more on Eq, but from what I read so far it sounds really good. Unless I find something to make me change my mind I'll run it for 14 weeks instead of 12.

[PrairieDawg]

personally, i would skip the eq, use that money for next cycle or dbal, with this cycle,

I added the prop to replace using dbol on this cycle. I wanted a short ester to jump start but didn't want the bloat that comes with dbol.