.5 adex+40mg Nolva=still puffy nip!! HELP!

[gymbob]

its my first cycle, im 2 weeks in (4 shots .7ml dosed at 300mg/ml), i knew i was gyno sensitive from puberty so i was running .5 adex ed then 4 days in i was reading if you can get away with nolva instead of adex it will have less hinderence on gains, so i switched to 40mg nolva and got left puffy nip (right still ok) 2 days later jumped back on adex, it was going up and down and i figured i would try nolva alone again. 3 days later its puffier then before. this weekend i went added the .5 adex and 60mg nolva (fearing its underdosed) and today its still puffy, and not going up and down but staying puffed. my last shot was thursday and i decided not to take any more until this gets sorted out. what can i do? will letrozole help any if adex isnt? do i just need patients? its the fatty tissue, with minor tissue build up deep behind it, you have to dig to feel it. is there any hope? or do i just go about finding surgery? any thoughts? please help

other thoughts were that my nolva is bunk; i dont know if i can say the name , starts with A and its 5 letters, i heard its a lesser quality brand. i got new stuff from a diff lab on the way tonight.

[zaneisgreat]

Hi.

I've had gyno issues in the past and eventually had surgery (I'm fine now). I understand that you think your nips are puffy but do they actually feel irritated, itchy or painful? IMO this is by far the best indication of glandular breast tissue growth.

40mg of tamo while on cycle is kinda high... If you are legitimately having gyno issues while taking this much nolva on cycle, I would reconsider using steroids (seriously).

[gymbob]

no soreness or pain of any kind, however they are sensitive, like tickleish. well the puffy one.. and ya i stopped the shots for now, possibly for good, i dont know yet. unless the nolva i got is fake?

[zaneisgreat]

Your nips may just be naturally puffy + prominent and the gyno growth may simply be in your head. Just a thought.

[BIG NICE]

I thought running exemistane or arimidex was more effective in combating gyno than nolva was on cycle? Just what I have understood from my reading. Then for pct hit it hard with clomid and nolva. These are major concerns for me, as I am currently planning my first injectable cycle. Gyno scares the hell outta me.

[zaneisgreat]

Gyno scares the hell outta me.

And it should.... many guys that cycle get it and it is *really* frustrating. The problem is that people will think that they are growing breast tissue when they really are NOT.

Yes, people typically do not run Nolva on cycle anymore to combat estrogen and gyno.... The usually stick to A.I.s like the ones that you listed. I've ran low dose nolva on cycle a couple times (10mg/day) and can verify that it certainly does work but it is best used in PCT to get your body back on track.

[gymbob]

yea which was what my original reasearch had concluded, however talking to a few people about the down side of arimidex (cholesterol levels, hair loss, gain hinderance) i thought maybe nolva would be a healthier choice IF i could get away with it, well i couldnt. i should have known better and stuck to my original plans, what id read. Now i dont know if this nip would still be as puffy had i stayed on adex?? either way, its frightening, because the other one is fine. Its defiantly puffed a bit more since ive been on cycle, however its not severe yet, some is mental i admit. i just dont know how bad is bad and when do you draw the line for surgery? naturally id like to try every other option availible, which right now starting tonight is a differenet lab's nolva, its possible the nolva i got was crap, if thats the case, i may consider taking another jab at this cycle. if it doesnt help, ill try letrozole and the new nolva, and probably have to sell my cypionate

my question: is it a bad idea to think about another compound that doesnt aromatise?? i had no other sides, then again im only 2.5 weeks in.

[BIG NICE]

I ran some Mdrol awhile back and got leaky nipples from it, even with a 40/30/20/20/10 pct and all the proper support supps. I've been on Letro for about 40 days, tapering my dose up to and remaining at 2.5 mg/day. For the last week, I've added Prami to the mix, hopefully to combat any prolactin issues. My nips are still a little leaky, although not irritated or getting worse. I'd try some letro and def don't use an aromatising drug. If you are gyno prone, the nolva really might not be enough....

[gymbob]

ya? well i can get letro, it may take some time, ill put the order in, thanks man. so did yours grow or swell or just the leaking?

[gymbob]

update! no i got the new nolva from a reputable lab comany (kayne). the puffiness is definatly gone down a bit in the past few days, ive been on .5 adex ed and 40mg nolva (kayne) since tues morning, now thursday morning its a little better.

what are the chances this old nolva i had was no good? my last shot was 210mg 7 days ago. there being less t there would be less Estrogen right? (I know the adex is good for 80% removal but theres still 20% of 400mgs/week vs 20% of 200mgs a week ago)

either way what do you guys think? should i stay away from the Test altogether? keep in mind my stupid desision to not run adex on cycle and go only nolva.

my plan right now is to see if i can get this puffiness to go away completly, or as much as possible. then wait to stabilize my hormones then debate trying again.. is that a bad idea or just stay away?

fyi, i didnt have letro on hand, it will be here in a few days, ill attempt further gyno reduction via letro+nolva letro at 2.5ed and nolva at 20mg ed .

[MBMETC]

ny nips got puffy from the beginning and they are always hard, but thats it no pain, itching or lumps i dont think puffy nips are an idication of gyno...jmo

[Walnutz]

You can get some letro right here from the ar-r store. Letro will knock out that gyno.

[BIG NICE]

I'm almost done with my second bottle of letro. To be honest, I am really not that impressed with it. It did help a little bit, but 130 bucks for what it did do really wasnt worth it. I know everyone is different, and I am just hoping this prami and nolva helps me out a bit. Like I said, the letro slowed the leaking a bit and removed some of the itching and irritation, but the tiny lumps are there. My joints are so stiff too, I feel like I am 105.

[RapaciousShark]

Letro doesn't work any better than aromasin, and aromasin doesn't cause an estrogen rebound. I would go with that next time.