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11-09-2010, 06:07 PM #1New Member
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My failure to gain weight, although I know what I'm doing the work load is too much
The good thing about failure is it motivates change. I'm posting here because I've recognized my failure but I need help to change.
My failure to gain weight has taken a tool on me mentally. I know what gaining weight requires and I get myself motivated then relapse to my old ways always for a different reason.
I am 6'1 and weigh about 150 pounds and 18 years old.
I understand that diet is the key proponent to gaining weight and that I need to respectively intake a certain amount of protein, carbs and fat each meal and eat 5-7 times a day. Although training is important rest and diet are the determining factors in gaining weight.
On top of all these issues it pains me whenever someone has to take not at how skinny I am. Kids in school will constantly tell me how skinny I am and although I've accepted I'm skinny it makes me feel like I've failed in this area of my life. I feel like my metabolism is unhealthy fast.
Although I've told myself this continually and motivated myself to follow a bulking diet I have always failed. I normally do make gains (anywhere from 5-10 pounds) however my bodies inability to adapt to the diet always stresses me and in return I always resort back to my old ways and lose the weight I've gained.
Each time I have started a bulking diet I have had the various problems. I will make gains however what generally happens in my body can't handle the food I'm eating. I'll eat my protein shake, eggs, carbs and fruit for breakfast and then by lunch my stomach will be full of gas and ache, while my body is exhausted from eating many meals in such quantity.
At the same time I have to constantly force myself to eat even when I'm not hungry or eat more after I've already felt full. As a result my body just feels stressed and I feel tired.
Since I feel so unhealthy and exhausted I always return to my normal diet, which is extremely healthy and provides me energy yet isn't enough calorie consumption to allow me to gain muscle.
I'm tired of being skinny. It's unfair that I discipline myself and workout hard in the weight room and at the same time work hard in the kitchen, while others make huge gains just through progressive loading.
Probably the hardest thing for me is that when I do go on these bulking diets I gain weight and then lose it once my body is stressed. At the same time my wallet takes a tool when I buy foods in bulk, and it's hard to motivate myself again when it costs money and I don't know how it's going to be any different next time around.
Any help or suggestions would be great. I can tell you that I've already visited the diet section multiple times. My diet did balance the main factors and I did take the required supplements (Omega 3, multi vitamin ect).Last edited by Thepointguard; 11-09-2010 at 06:13 PM.
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11-09-2010, 06:11 PM #2Junior Member
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Maybe you're overtraining or doing too much cardio.
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11-09-2010, 06:12 PM #3
Welcome...I am sorry to hear this. You remind me of a dear friend of mine who has had the same problem his whole life. Are you healthy otherwise?
You are 18 and I hope you study and learn here. Please try to be a bit easier on yourself. If all of this were easy, everybody would do it. Since you just joined, why not post your situation in the diet section and explain your challenge. I bet you will get some great help!
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11-09-2010, 07:16 PM #4
Watch the fruit peel the skin on the apples as it is fiberous, don't eat bananas the give me a full feeling, mabe same for you. Try to clean bulk not a dirty bulk with lots of patatoes. I don't know these are just suggestions as I don't know you full diet history. Maybe 5 meals to start and as you grow add another meal, take it slow you will progress you just need to be in tune with your body, make a journal and keep a record of how certain food affect your ability to eat and maybe move them around it's a long work in progress take it slow and you will grow.
Please keep me posted as I am really interested in your progress
Mike
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11-09-2010, 07:47 PM #5Member
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list your training plz
I started out at 6'3 180. It took over a year to condition myself to eat enough to make nice gains and keep them. This included the feeling of puke after every meal. Not much over that year I was about 210-215 and still had a quality mid section. (low fat).
Keeping gains is about consistency and commitment. Every time I went backwards it was due to many beers, broads, or booze. Budget your money for important things like food and protein. Leave the flashy supplements alone. No need for them right now. It’s a 24 -7 Job. Eat right, train right, and sleep right. If you want to be serious, organize your life so the commitment issues don’t get in the way. That is including the financial obligations for the chow required.
Start out slow with the diet. You can’t gain 20 pounds from one meal. Don’t overdo the protein at first for your metabolism you will need high carbs. Those are cheap and easy. Rice, oats, potatoes, pasta. Yes I said pasta. Some would cringe, but until you hit higher body weights there shouldn’t be any worry of too much fat.
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11-09-2010, 07:48 PM #6New Member
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I think since my metabolism is so fast that I am always over training in some sense if my calorie intake isn't high enough, because if I don't eat a lot then I'm often burning weight. My weight training isn't too rigorous, I follow a progressive load weight training table that bases my weekly lifts off my 1 rep max, for both squat and bench press. Then I do a series of other exercises with either 2 sets of 10 or 3 sets of ten depending on the month. Since I play a lot of sports I don't do cardio separately.
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My training is as follows.
I have a progressive load workout plan that bases my weekly lifts off my 1 rep max and I use this for squats and bench press. This has been the most successful thing I've used for benching since I make about 5-10 pound gains on my 1 rep max every 6 weeks.
Day 1
squat
3*10 seated row
incline db chest press
close grip cable pulldown
standing military press
db incline curl
day 2
bench
3*10
pullups
behind the neck press
db hammer curl
lying tricep extension
day 3
dead lift
hamstring curl
bench press db
chinup
seated sholder press
Each day I also do a little abs. I rotate through these 3 workouts every other day.
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11-09-2010, 08:04 PM #9New Member
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When I'm bulk dieting I shoot for about
50 grams protein, 81 gram carbs, 50 g fat Each meal which is proximately 500 calories a meal 6 times a day.
On top of this I would get a cup or two of fruit each meal.
kelevra, it's encouraging to here that you had to train yourself to eat large amounts of food. I have one or two friends who just like weight lifting they seem to be able to handle large volumes of food without any training on their part. I've always felt like both the eating and the weight gaining through lifting have been a struggle for me and it's encouraging to here that if you work at it your body will eventually adapt
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11-09-2010, 08:10 PM #10
my advice: don't worry about eating clean. It is much easier to get your calories from dirty foods. You will easily achieve a surplus this way and won't have to worry about macros since they will be high already. Once you gain the weight you want, you can worry about eating clean later down the road. I did this and it worked to perfection. I pretty much only eat clean now but when I was skinny like you, I pounded fast food like it was my job multiple times per day. I don't regret a thing.
The quality of your food makes a small difference when it comes to body composition. It's the macros that shape the bodyLast edited by AlphaMaleDawg; 11-09-2010 at 08:26 PM.
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11-09-2010, 08:17 PM #11
I read it as 50 per meal six per day 300gms
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11-09-2010, 08:28 PM #12Member
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Absolutely.
Your body will eventually adapt and you’ll always be hungry like a horse.
For me, I don’t like your work out for gaining muscle. It looks like your working nearly the entire body every other day. (at least that is what it looks like to me). First if you still in school and involved in athletics, then you need to worry more about sport specific training rather than just muscle bulking. The demands for sports and the demands for gaining muscle sometimes do not mix well. They can both be full time jobs and there is only so much time.
My work out split breaks down like this.
Mon- Back with dead lifts first.
Tues- Chest flat bench
Wed- legs with squats
Thr- Bi’s tri’s barbell curls, skull crushers
Fri –shoulders - dumbbell press
Do 1 – or 2 warm ups and go straight to the mass builder for a quality 4 sets of 6-10 reps.
I pretty much listed my mass movements above. For me I pick another mass movement and for another 4 sets at similar reps. Then I knock of 1 auxiliary set with cables. 3-4 set @ 8-12 reps. That may be over work for you, but you have to listen to your body. And don’t get caught up on the one rep max shit. That is where we all eventually have hurt ourselves. Let your body have time to develop. At 25 you can throw around one rep max numbers. Pick weight you can handle and keep the pain in the muscle you are working. (Good form) We’ll look at diet a bit more later.
Hang in ther mate
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11-09-2010, 09:47 PM #14
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One option might be to pick a certain product and make it your goal to consume X amount of it every day. For example at one time I was drinking an entire gallon of skim milk every day. I got very big but didn't like the bloated look dairy was giving me. If I had your metabolism I would constantly munch on nuts throughout the day as one option.
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11-09-2010, 11:01 PM #18
I highly doubt u were eating that much on your bulking diet, that's almost 1000 calories each meal not 500. You can't just decide u want to double your diet and start eating that much every day. Start by adding a little more each week and grow into it.
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11-09-2010, 11:10 PM #19
steroids play a small part....focus on the training...bulk will come from food intake
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11-10-2010, 12:25 AM #20
Your diet is still the key. Spend your money/time focusing on eating good. Yes eating some junk/dirty once in a while if fine but it also robs you of real energy, long term energy that real good, lean foods will provide and you may end up gaining fat instead of muscle. Learn to eat a meal ever 2 hours or less, eat snacks inbetween. Dont rely on weight gain drinks for food. One, no more than 2 a day is fine but dont use it to replace food/meals.
Stop training the whole body 3x a week or ever other day. Try only 2 body parts a day or like what I found works best for me most of the time train 1 body part a day for a couple of months. Dont eat 1 hr before the gym. Have a protein drink as soon as possible after working out.
Dont over do the vitamins or supplements. Keep things simple. Lots of eggs (6+) oat meal and ??? in the morning. Learn to love chicken/turkey and eat as much as possible ever day, Tuna, lean steak, nuts and of course dont forget the vegetables at least 2 servings a day. It still wont change over night but if you get yourself on a good diet you should see results in 60 days and start bulking. Best part is it will be all you and all keep-able.
You have a normal metabolism because you are young, healthy and active you burn fat. Fat kids are usually inactive, play video games, dont run around playing games or chasing each other. It's rare the people have actual thyroid/fast/slow metabolism.
Read up in our diet section if you need more advice but dont over think it yet. Just learn to eat more protein than you are burning. Dont over train. Stop the cardio for now or keep it to a minimum. I only do 10 minutes of elliptical to warm up unless I am trying to get lean/cut.
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11-10-2010, 02:28 AM #21
Dont be so hard on yourself. 18 is barely into adulthood. At 18 I was 9 1/2 stone. At 32 I am now 13 St 6 lbs. As a youngster I could eat ANYTHING and then in my mid 20's my real shape / genetics kicked in and I am what I am.
Mother NAture will come to your aid eventually as metabolisms tend to slow down but with sensible and consistent eating I reckon you could achieve what yuo want....
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11-10-2010, 06:24 AM #22
he really shouldn't rely on clean food. All it will do is promote health. He is young enough where he is probably healthy. His focus should be on reaching his caloric expenditure, no matter what foods it takes. If he needs to eat mcdonalds twice a day to gain muscle, so be it. There is no difference in the quality of muscle gained between a big mac and chicken w/ rice
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11-10-2010, 06:45 AM #23
No but there is a difference on how your body feels and the energy you get from it. When I eat crappy I feel crappy. Junk in, junk out. Eat healthy, good clean protein you get better bang for the buck and last longer. Just like if you rely on sugar for energy you burn out quickly. Why eat stuff that could make you feel worse?
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11-10-2010, 07:18 AM #24
this is pretty much bro-science for the most part. That or you are overrating this element. The energy difference is minimal at best, at least in my experience. It could be an age thing too. His main concern should be calories though. The energy will be there for an 18 year old. Just my opinion
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I tend to agree with Alphamaledawg on this. Although eating clean calories is best, i see his point. At 18y/o, hes "probably" healthy and should have plenty of energy no matter what food he eats. However will suggest this... If hes gonna eat fast food, make it the best of the fast foods. Always do chicken. Fried is fine. Youll get the protein plus the extra calories. I wouldnt suggets the fries, but get the baked potato or something else. Or just do 2 chicken sandwhiches. Plus remember Subway has a $5 footlong oven roasted chicken breast. Worry about clean calories as you get older ( above 23y/o) as health plays more of a role and metabolism slows and the odds to gain more belly fat grow.
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11-10-2010, 06:23 PM #26New Member
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Well here's how I derived that number. I have a book full of diet plans and meals.
Those numbers were based on about the average of lunch and breakfast.
Breakfast was
2 cups milk, low fat (1%)
36 grams protein powder
2 ½ cups cold cereal
1 cup grapes
1 2/3 tsp olive, flax, and/or salmon oils
this is approximately 50 grams protein, 80 grams carbs and 15 grams fat, and about 600 calories
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I'm wishing there were a heart attack grill by me
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11-10-2010, 07:21 PM #30
agreed completely
this is your problem. You are overthinking it because you are too concerned with eating clean. You won't get enough calories this way as you aren't advanced enough to start worrying about eating extremely clean
high protein stuff. like big macs, double quarter pounder with cheeses, footlong chicken subs at subway, kfc chicken, etc. Chances are you will get enough carbs this way since these things come with stuff like bread, fries, macaroni, etc. And you will definitely get enough fats, that's for dam sure.
Just get your calories in most importantly. Once you get bigger and gain muscle this way, you can adjust your diet
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11-10-2010, 08:01 PM #31Member
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PASTA & NOODLES.
I can eat a hell of alot more of that than freakin rice and oats everyday.
IMO- I would cut down the protien and add carbs. I say this due to you not being able to eat enough to fill both sources. Cut down to 150 to 175 grams protien total for the day. Then Eat carbs until your full. Mix them up to keep it fresh and you wanting to eat them, fires, potatoes, pasta, noodles, rice if you like, oats. Aim for 2-3 grams of quality carbs (complex) per body pound for the day. That would be about 450 grams total for the day and about 75 per meal for 6 meals. That is ruffly one cup dry rice 6 times a day. If you cant do it all at once, move into it slowly. Try to space the meals every 3 hours. Cut out the fruit and anything that is not calorie heavy. No need for wasted space. When I was a hard gainer, i wouldn't ever eat a salad. LOL
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11-10-2010, 08:19 PM #32
ahhh you skinny punks tick me off....LOL
Hang in there you will get there...give yourself time. I would stray from the dirty bulk myself...give yourself healthy foods to bulk on...you will like the end result.
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11-10-2010, 08:25 PM #33
Hey man, i had the same problem in high school, no matter how much good food i ate i wouldnt grow until i started packing 5000 calories into me, and those calories didnt include the 1k calories from protein. I started pounding in wendys burger king mcdonalds, ICE CREAM SHAKES, i would drink olive oil. It sucks for us hard gainers man, but we have a gift (we cut EASY!)
Lift heavy, eat like a horse, and i promise you will gain size.
The metabolism will slow down after high school. I guarantee it lol.
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11-10-2010, 08:31 PM #34
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11-10-2010, 08:53 PM #35
whole milk
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11-11-2010, 11:18 PM #36
I had a friend who had a similar issue. You may want to talk to your doctor and get a blood test and have them check your cortisol levels. He could'nt gain weight at all. But he saw an endocrinologist and she ordered blood tests. And surprise his cortisol levels were out of whack. So they gave him some shots and he started gaining weight. So it does not hurt to get yourself checked out by your doctor. Just explain the situation and go from there...
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11-12-2010, 12:53 AM #37
Damn it drives me nuts to hear stories like yours.The guys who cant gain weight,struggling to pack it on..And guys like me who struggle their whole lives to keep weight off..What I wouldnt do to be able to have that "problem" In a healthy way of course...I literally can put on several pounds in a week if I dont eat correctly..I would suggest that you keep your diet healthy vs fast food(on a daily basis.) if for no other reason than the fats and chloresterol issues associated with fast food..I would think an overload of carbs such as pasta,potato etc..mixed with fatty meats like ribeyes,duck etc..combined with low reps high weight will eventually help you win the skinny battle..The opposite is the only way in my life I have been able to combat being a fat ass!!
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