Can you kick start long ester test cycles with short ester test to improve early gain

**Far from massive** · 11-11-2010, 07:25 AM

I keep reading threads where people are on a 8 week C or E cycle and are advised to extend it to 10-12 weeks as gains do not maximise till week 6-7. I have heard of people kicking cycles with orals (D-bol etc.) to jump start them.

My questions are, if you did not want to use orals or other steroids could you just add a shorter acting Test ester like Prop to increase the levels or would that in some way hinder the actions of the longer ester? I guess the other possibility would be increased chance of aromatization and sides but it seems since the levels of the longer ester were not maximized that this would not be a huge problem?

Thanks,
FFM

**MBMETC** · 11-11-2010, 07:45 AM

you can front load with a shorter ester, but if a 8 week cycle appeals to you then why not just run prop throughout?

**Far from massive** · 11-11-2010, 08:41 AM

I am asking for a friend who is getting ready to run an cycle with E. I had suggested he just run a prop cycle since like I am planning next, however he is a big sissy...and not a fan of daily injections and he only wants to do Test for now which I can understand, so I figgured it would be easier to talk him into pinning ED or EOD for a few weeks (say weeks 3-6) with some prop (which I have already) to front load it than it would be to convince him to throw away the E (he already has it) and pin ED for 8.

PS Thanks for the reply

**MBMETC** · 11-11-2010, 08:50 AM

keep in mind he can laod with prop but he still needs to soot the test e and give it time to build up, to shoot prop only for 4 weeks and then run test e for the concurrent 4 weeks is pointless... you follow me

**Brewster** · 11-11-2010, 08:55 AM

it would have to be:

Test P- 1-4
Test E- 1- whatever

not

Test P- 1-4
Test E- 4-whatever

**MBMETC** · 11-11-2010, 09:01 AM

i guess its gonna depend on dosage and what op has, i would run a 12 week cycle
test p w/1-4 70mg p-day
test e w/4-12 250mg 2x
but i dont think for a novice it makes sense, i think to do both esters you would ideally run a 16 week cycle which unless you got some cycles under your belt isn't wise....jmo let the bashing begin

**MBMETC** · 11-11-2010, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

I am asking for a friend who is getting ready to run an cycle with E. I had suggested he just run a prop cycle since like I am planning next, however he is a big sissy...and not a fan of daily injections and he only wants to do Test for now which I can understand, so I figgured it would be easier to talk him into pinning ED or EOD for a few weeks (say weeks 3-6) with some prop (which I have already) to front load it than it would be to convince him to throw away the E (he already has it) and pin ED for 8.

PS Thanks for the reply

also if you can convinse him to pin eod for 6 weeks, 8 weeks shouldnt be that much more difficult

**Far from massive** · 11-11-2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

keep in mind he can laod with prop but he still needs to soot the test e and give it time to build up, to shoot prop only for 4 weeks and then run test e for the concurrent 4 weeks is pointless... you follow me

Yes I knew he would have to run the P concurently with the E, I figgured the first 2 weeks the concentration of E would be so low there would be no point in trying to front load it with P taking into consideration he is needle shy and I was trying to minimize the shots, thats why I asked about just using the P weeks 3-6 or maybe looking at your suggestion weeks 2-4 would allow for him to reap good benefits during weeks 3-8 of the cycle while only having to pin daily for 2 weeks.

Or maybe I should just tell him to do a 10 week cycle with the E, and not worry about the first 6 weeks... as my head is beggining to hurt thinking about all the variables LOL.

**MBMETC** · 11-11-2010, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

Yes I knew he would have to run the P concurently with the E, I figgured the first 2 weeks the concentration of E would be so low there would be no point in trying to front load it with P taking into consideration he is needle shy and I was trying to minimize the shots, thats why I asked about just using the P weeks 3-6 or maybe looking at your suggestion weeks 2-4 would allow for him to reap good benefits during weeks 3-8 of the cycle while only having to pin daily for 2 weeks.

Or maybe I should just tell him to do a 10 week cycle with the E, and not worry about the first 6 weeks... as my head is beggining to hurt thinking about all the variables LOL.

his cycle let him do what works for him

**Far from massive** · 11-11-2010, 10:58 AM

He asked (he did not want to run a long cycle and had concerns about not getting much bang for the buck with the long ester and short cycle) just like I am asking...but thanks anyway.

PS He had elevated liver enzymes on his last physical and did not want to run an oral like D-bol to front load.