Need help with my first cycle

[Red X]

I am 5.6, 170 lbs,24 yrs

wanted to start my first cycle with equi/winny

equi 400 mg/week for 1-10week
winny oral 50mg ED for 1-5 week with ALA (Alfa Lipoic Acid)for Lever

I have Clomid for PCT

Need opinion from you experienced guys.

[marcus300]

Thats not a good cycle, you need to do alot more research on first time cycles, head over to the education section and read all the stickies this will give you an idea on first cycles. You also need to head down to the pct section also and do more reading on whats a good solid pct and finally you need to post your diet in the diet section and we can go over it and sort that out aswell, i feel it needs alot of work, there is no need to start cycling until you completely understand how to eat to grow and understand about cycles and compounds and also the sides you may experience, best of luck

[Red X]

I read already.all recommends Test/Dbol or test only cycle.

i dont want to get like balloon want leaner gains.

[marcus300]

You need to post your diet it needs alot of work and you also need to take in all the stickies, the planned cycle is awful and you should do alot more research and understand what your reading, post your training program and diet and do more research.

[Red X]

Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back / Biceps
Wednesday: Shoulder / Traps
Thursday: Thigh / Calves / Abs
Friday: Triceps
Saturday: Back / Biceps
Sunday: Rest Day


Chest Day

1 Set of warm-up on bench followed by 3 sets of 12, 8, 8 flat bench press
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Dumbbell chest flies
3 Sets of 10,10,8 Incline bench press
3 sets of 10,10,8 Decline bench press
3 Sets of 10, 8, 8 Incline dumbbell press
2 Sets of 10, 8 Weighted Dips
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Dumbell flys



Back / Bicep Days:

1 Set of warm-up on pull ups followed by 3 sets of 12, 8, 7 lat pull-down
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 low row
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 high row
2 Sets of 8, 6 Barbell pullovers
3 Sets of 12, 8, 6 Deadlifts
2 Sets of Alternating Dumbbell Curls


Shoulder / Traps Days:

1 Set of warm-up on Dumbbell Military Presses followed by 3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Barbell Military Presses
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Dumbbell lateral raises
3 Sets of 12, 8 ,8 Dumbbell front raises
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Posterior Flies (Machine or dumbbells)
2 Sets of 10, 8 Dumbbell Arnold Presses
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Heavy dumbbell Shrugs
2 Sets of 12, 8 Heavy Behind the back barbell shrugs


Thigh / Calves / Abs Days:

1 Set of warm-up on Full Squats followed by 3 Sets of 12, 10, 8 Barbell full squats
3 Sets of 15, 12, 8 Hamstring Curls
3 Sets of 12, 8, 8 Heavy Calf raises
2 Sets of 8, 8 Heavy Squats on the leg press machine
2 Sets of 12, 8 Leg extensions
2 Sets of 50, 50 Crunches
2 Sets of Hanging leg raises


I take 150 gms of protien mostly from shakes


My dealer suggest this cycle i asked for test/winny to him.he said it is totally waste if u use test with winny.do u agree?
what cycle u suggest for me?

[MBMETC]

What are your goals for this cycle, as Marcus said tins is a poor cycle

[Red X]

What are your goals for this cycle, as Marcus said tins is a poor cycle

i want some lean gains

[Red X]

What are your goals for this cycle, as Marcus said tins is a poor cycle

i want some lean muscles without bloat what should i use

[TopDogUK]

No rest day on your training? And 150g of protein isn't really a lot for a full day. I get that just from 2 shakes alone. If your only getting that much protein from food AND shakes in one day then you cant be getting enough carbs and types of fats etc!! Eat more.

Defiantly looks like you need to do some more reading. I know your looking for help, but no ones willing to help if your not willing to learn.

[Red X]

No rest day on your training? And 150g of protein isn't really a lot for a full day. I get that just from 2 shakes alone. If your only getting that much protein from food AND shakes in one day then you cant be getting enough carbs and types of fats etc!! Eat more.

Defiantly looks like you need to do some more reading. I know your looking for help, but no ones willing to help if your not willing to learn.

sorry sunday is rest day.

I am from india & here we eat lots of carbs.how much protien i need i am 170 lbs?

[bjpennnn]

i would say around 250-280 at least. What percent bf are you? And bloat from gear can be controlled by clean diet, cardio, water, and an ai. Dont be afraid of test.

[Skyler]

340g protein, 510-680g carbs, good fats, amino acids, vitamins, at least a gallon of water a day (minimum), and you need more recovery time. For example, 20 sets of chest is alot period. You are doing 20 sets of chest twice a week, thats insane. You are doing 20 sets of chest twice a week with no real rest or diet, thats just stupid.

You don't need AAS, you need education.

[Bonaparte]

Your dealer is an idiot, and your diet sucks. Learn to eat properly and read up on AAS for a long while before buying anything.

[Red X]

340g protein, 510-680g carbs, good fats, amino acids, vitamins, at least a gallon of water a day (minimum), and you need more recovery time. For example, 20 sets of chest is alot period. You are doing 20 sets of chest twice a week, thats insane. You are doing 20 sets of chest twice a week with no real rest or diet, thats just stupid.

You don't need AAS, you need education.

what is wrong with 20 sets of chest?not twice only once a week.i think one body part for one week is not an issue?
m taking opti-men mv
On Glutamine
drinks 4-5 ltr water a day.2 ltr during exercise

[Red X]

Your dealer is an idiot, and your diet sucks. Learn to eat properly and read up on AAS for a long while before buying anything.

Reading since last six months.Never done cycle b4.need help from experience juicers

[TopDogUK]

The training might work for you, But i would say on chest you are doing to much at the moment. Why are you doing two lots of dumbbell flys? is one lot incline or decline? I like to throw in a couple of sets to failure, and do more reps on flys (lower weight)

But its hard to give someone a training routine without actually being with them and seeing what works for them, that you will have to figure out for yourself. It needs to change every few months anyway so you can try something and then if its not working move onto something else...

As for diet.... People have already said get it posted up and youl get help if needed.

[marcus300]

Your dealer is an idiot, and your diet sucks. Learn to eat properly and read up on AAS for a long while before buying anything.

Exactly ^^^^^

Dont cycle,
Dont listen to your dealer he is an idiot,
Research alot more and understand what your reading,
You need to spend the next 6 months eating correctly and sorting your diet out because your diet is a mess,
Steroids arent the answer food is and once you learn how to eat to grow you will be in a far better position,
Stop and listen to the advice and dont let everyone keep repeating themsleves because your not listening.

[Skyler]

I used your chest as an example because I saw that you use 20 sets, I also noticed you work some muscles twice a week, so I just lumped it together to make an example.

You have three different types of muscle fiber in your body.
Slow Twitch, also known as red muscle
Fast Twitch-A, White Muscle
Fast Twitch-B, White Muscle.

Slow twitch fibers have a slow contraction time, small motor neuron, high resistance to fatigue, are used for aerobic activity, have a low force production, high mitochondrial density, high capillary density, high oxidative capacity, low glycolytic capacity, and the major storage fuel is triglycerides.

Fast Twitch-A fibers have a fast contraction time, large motor neuron, intermediate resistance to fatigue, are used for long term anaerobic activity, have a high force production, high mitochondrial density, intermediate capillary density, high oxidative capacity, high glycolytic capacity, and the major storage fuel is CP-Glycogen.

Fast Twitch-B fibers have a very fast contraction time, very large motor neuron, low resistance to fatigue, are used for short term anaerobic activity, have a very high force production, low mitochondrial density, low capillary density, low oxidative capacity, high glycolytic capacity, and the major storage fuel is CP-Glycogen.

Now that you know what the muscle fibers are, and how they perform/why they perform the way they do, you have to decide what your goals are.
If you want to be a long distance runner, or great with overall endurance with calisthenics, then you want to train in a way that will target your slow twitch fibers.
If you want to build as much size as possible, in an attempt to go the route of a bodybuilder, you want to train to target Fast Twitch-A fibers.
If you want to become as strong as possible for short term performance, such as a powerlifter, you want to focus on your Fast Twitch-B fibers.

Fast Twitch fibers of both types are best worked in short, intense workouts. Fast twitch fibers also require a lot of time to recover. Working out too long, over a long period of time, doing too many sets, too many reps, training the same muscle too often, etc. will only fatigue the fast twitch fibers, then your body will switch to using the slow twitch fibers.
Both cannot exist dominantly. One is dominant, the other is not. Naturally, if you attain fast twitch muscle hypertrophy, it will result an slow twitch muscle atrophy.
The same exists the other way around. If you attain slow twitch muscle hypertrophy, your fast twitch fibers will start to atrophy.

You want size? Keep your workouts to less than an hour, with maximum intensity, and do not work the same muscle group more than once a week at most.
Training for 2,3,4, or 5 hours a day, training the same muscle group multiple times a week, etc. has its benefits, but it is not going to result in maximum size or strength gains.

You say you want to get big, but you train completely wrong for it, you don't eat in balanced manner, or nearly enough for that matter. Throwing steroids at the problem will not fix a broken diet and the wrong training. You need to eat better, and train smarter.

[Red X]

Diet


Meal 1:
4 eggs 2 whole, 1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal 2:
rice/whole wheat bread,soybeans/meat

Meal 3:
protein shake

whole wheat bread/oatmeal

Workout

Meal 4rotien shake

Meal 5:
Veggies , 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal.

Meal 6:
protein shake,glutamine & multivitamin tabs

[Red X]

I will go for basic test only cycle for 400-500 mg/week for 10-12 weeks and up my protein intake to 340gms

[Skyler]

You need to make sure to include amino acids, fats, and carbs. Studies show that 60% more lean muscle mass is attained when adding carbohydrates to the protein though out the day, and especially post workout.
Amino acids are also essential to protein synthesis (along with a few other things).
Add good fats to your diet, and you will see a noticeable increase in muscular density and strength as well.

[TopDogUK]

You shouldn't be having protein shakes instead of meals.

[Bonaparte]

Diet


Meal 1:
4 eggs 2 whole, 1/2 cup oatmeal <---- lacking in protein

Meal 2:
rice/whole wheat bread,soybeans/meat <-----this looks like your only decent meal (assuming you opt for meat over soybeans)...but the portions are probably lacking.

Meal 3:
protein shake <----eat meat instead

whole wheat bread/oatmeal

Workout

Meal 4rotien shake <-----add 1-2 cups of oats to the milk here, along with some natural peanut butter and honey for a good home-made gainer/PWO shake.

Meal 5:
Veggies , 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal. <----Weak. Where's the protein?

Meal 6:
protein shake,glutamine & multivitamin tabs <---- That's not really food

^^^
Critique in bold.

[Red X]

^^^
Critique in bold.

Thanks for your help

should i go forward with test cycle as i said before

[Skyler]

No.
You need to first eat right and train better. You will be amazed at how well your body responds just to that. So many people are quick to dismiss diet and training as effective ways to grow, and grow fast. They immediately write it off, without ever even trying it. Improve the other things first, and do those things consistently for awhile. Then, after getting everything else in check, start to study up on AAS. After you have been well educated on diet, training, nutrition,aas, etc. and you have a consistent lifestyle to support growth, then you can start considering AAS.

[marcus300]

You need to establish a solid diet for at least 6 months before cycling, by doing this it will adjust your weight and foundation to get ready to cycle, do not change your diet and then cycle straight away wait at LEAST 6 months.

[Red X]

You need to establish a solid diet for at least 6 months before cycling, by doing this it will adjust your weight and foundation to get ready to cycle, do not change your diet and then cycle straight away wait at LEAST 6 months.

Okay i will wait for 5-6 months & then will do cycle thanks for ur replies