First timer a bit young want some advice.

[dan lad]

Hey guys im new here need some advice im 17 6ft, im on a course of deca 300 test 350 for 10 weeks my last 5 weeks of test are 200mg because of demand :/ but anyways i wanna know the chances my growth plates are closed because off this im 6 weeks in now showing real good gains put a stone and a half on, im not exactly broad and i wanna know will this course stop me from getting wider as in my shoulders and whole frame going outwards? thanks

[Johnyonemove]

YES this cycle could do permanent damage! You need to come off and start your PCT. If your test is ethenate you need to wait 2 weeks from your last pin before you start this.

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

Read this article from Hawaiin Pride:

Am I old enough?

Yes if you're over 24, No if you're under. You run the risks of premature closing of growth plates which means you won't get any taller and your shoulders won't get wider, etc. if you use them too young. Your endocrine system is also at a vital stage in your life, which should incidentally provide you with plenty of natural testosterone anyway!

Of course there are other considerations such as training experience of the individual. For example, it would be unwise for a 25 year old who has been training only a few months to want to use steroids. Their training and diet knowledge are likely to be limited (these should be 100% in check to make 'proper use' of a steroid cycle). Not only that, but there will be massive potential for natural gains, without the need to even think about steroids!

Furthermore, cycling before the age of 2024-5 will put you at a high risk of temporary to permanent damage to your HPTA, andropause, TRT, erectile dysfunction, and low libido. Your hormones should not be tampered with while still in the stage of maturation. Use your already naturally high test levels to your advantage.

You should have a significant amount of training under your belt (4-5 years at least) before any Steroids are considered. This will not only allow you to toy around with a few diet and training methods (possibly eliminating the reason for cycling in the first place) but will also you adequate time to let your CNS, bones/joints/tendons/muscles to mature so that you will have the proper foundation for when you begin your cycle. Cycling on a frame that is delicate and inexperienced runs many risks including temporary to permanent injury to any of the above mentioned. Bodybuilding isn't a sprint, and there is no rush to jump on steroids and get big. Transforming the body takes time, patience, dedication and discipline. There are no short cuts!

Diet is probably the most important and vital tool is growing and gaining muscle/shedding fat. With a strong diet as your backbone, the steroids will not live up to their hype. No matter what your doses and duration of steroids you are taking, it just won't be worth the time and money spent without the sufficient calories and macros behind it. The 2 literally go hand in hand. A lack of diet will provide a lack of results, even with anabolic support. Having this experience will make cycling in the future easier and much more enjoyable, believe me.

[dan lad]

i was planning on only taking nolvadex thats all i have atm, do you think that its enough to stop me growing outwards?

[dan lad]

and ive been jabbing twice a week so 600mg deca and 700mg week test, i was taking supertest 350 it has a compound off different types of test

[Johnyonemove]

Nolvadex isn't enough on its own. You need something to stimulate your natural test. You can order clomid from the banner (ar-r)

You want to start your PCT with in 2 weeks from last pin.

[SlimmerMe]

Hey guys im new here need some advice im 17 6ft, im on a course of deca 300 test 350 for 10 weeks my last 5 weeks of test are 200mg because of demand :/ but anyways i wanna know the chances my growth plates are closed because off this im 6 weeks in now showing real good gains put a stone and a half on, im not exactly broad and i wanna know will this course stop me from getting wider as in my shoulders and whole frame going outwards? thanks

Must be 18 to be here....plus what you are doing with juicing now at 17 could really jeopardize your natural testosterone and put you into erectile dysfunction so please stay away from it. Use your natural hormones. YOU HAVE A LOT NOW. TAKE YOUR EDGE and STAY SAFE!

[MBMETC]

no one knows exactly what can and will happen, the best advice is to stop yhe cycle and run a pct like stated above

[dan lad]

im just worried about growth plates etc :/

[Johnyonemove]

im just worried about growth plates etc :/

I dont know about you, but I was designed to reporduce... This cycle could mess with your WOOD permanently!!!

[SlimmerMe]

im just worried about growth plates etc :/

There are many other things to worry about. Yes growth plates not being fused is major. However if you juice now you really risk your sex hormones and might end up in the Over 40 forum sooner than later and this would not be fun for one day....especially for the next 23 years.

[bruary17]

Your jeopardizing your health and yor future. Stop now. Run the pct.

[Far from massive]

I will wait for one of the experts to see the thread and give you specifics on what you should do for PCT however IMHO using two compounds in the amounts you have certainly is sufficient to do serious damamge stop the cycle immediatly due to the mix of esters in your test there is no reason to continue with any of the compounds ( if you were using prop that might..maybe..be a reason to stop the deca first, but since your test has long esters you should stop both immediatly) both compounds will take a while to clear so thier is plenty of time to get expert answers and also obtain the needed chems for a correct PCT before clearence and the need to start PCT occur.

[dan lad]

ill take your advice and stop now thanks guys, hope i havent done myself in :/ could anyone give me advice on what pct and length if i wanna recover from this with minimal damage?

[Johnyonemove]

When was your last pin of Test and Deca? I've read on many occassions that you want to run your test 2 weeks past your Deca, but in your case you should ask the advice of someone more seasoned!

You can get these products from the banner (arr-r) at the top of the page. If you don't have them I would order them now.

Each slash is how much you should be taking each day for that week so 100mgs of clomid ED for week 1 and then 50mgs ED for week 2, 3 & 4. Its a 4 week PCT and you need to start it 2 weeks after your last pin.

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

[dan lad]

tonight was my last pin, 12th in total, would letro possibly keep my plates open?

[Johnyonemove]

today was your last pin of which compound? What was your last day for each?

[dan lad]

i did test 350 deca 300 for 5 weeks then deca 200 test cyanide 200 for 1 week now stopping, i jab twice a week and both on same day.

[Brewster]

i did test 350 deca 300 for 5 weeks then deca 200 test cyanide 200 for 1 week now stopping, i jab twice a week and both on same day.

A cyanide is a chemical compound that contains the cyano group (C≡N), which consists of a carbon atom triple-bonded to a nitrogen atom.[1] Most commonly, cyanides refers to salts of the anion CN−.[2][3] These compounds are highly toxic

[dan lad]

so are you saying ive wrecked my body?

[Skyler]

Where is Marcus? I thought if someone was under 18 they got banned and the thread got locked?

[dan lad]

i dont understand why you must be 18 tbh, it would be beneficial to educate younger people rather than to let them start cycles unprepared, banning wont help anyone. I'm not trying to be smart or cocky im here to learn from you guys who are experienced and hopefully convince some of my mates my age why they should come of their gear too, you would be helping a great deal by teaching instead of just banning and forgetting about younger people, younger people will always going on steroids but teaching them could help a great deal of young people from making the same mistake as me.

[Skyler]

I am not trying to be rude, and I understand you want to learn. I agree that you should educate yourself. I have seen too many 17 year olds hop on here, though, and even when they are completely respectful, they are reminded that the site policy is that you must be 18, then they get banned. I am just curious why all the other minors that wanted experienced info got booted, and you are allowed to stay.
Its nothing against you personally, but I have gotten in trouble before, even when I technically wasn't breaking any rules. So when someone does break a rule, and no one seems to care, it makes me question things a bit.

[dan lad]

I understand, I just got the impression you were being a slight bit arrogant against younger people. I'm just pretty desperate atm on how to fix this problem really need an experienced users opinion and advice.

[manveer1]

U didnt really respond to the PCT bit. Are you able to get the dosages of Nolva and Clomid said in time for your PCT to start? Just as precaution you might want to take a Over The Counter test booster such as tribulus to be on the safe side. The growth plates question, me personally i have no idea, maybe you will have to go see your doctor about it.

[desizon]

U didnt really respond to the PCT bit. Are you able to get the dosages of Nolva and Clomid said in time for your PCT to start? Just as precaution you might want to take a Over The Counter test booster such as tribulus to be on the safe side. The growth plates question, me personally i have no idea, maybe you will have to go see your doctor about it.

HOW is this ON the safe side???

I'm confused as to what some 'trib' is going to do for him.

OP, PCT time now.

[SlimmerMe]

OP..I hope you get your conclusive answer before getting kicked off of here..What do you need to know about your PCT which is so important for you to know NOW....what else? are you more clear now? I am glad you decided to stay away from the juice and plan to tell your friends to stay away too. This warms my heart.