To front load or not to front load

[J-41-sd]

I am going to start a Test E/Mast E cylce at 600mg and 400mg/ week respectively, I have been off gear for 3 years. Since I have been off for so long I would imagine my AR receptor would be primed for anabolics, I was thinking of priming at 2x dosage for the first week. Is it prudent/necessary and what have your results been.

[J-41-sd]

Oh yeah 28 y.o. 225lbs 12-14% 4th go around.

[scotty51312]

I'd say you'd have more sucess if you primed with your diet, possibly run a keto for 6 weeks or so before then switch over to a more balanced diet at higher calories. Have you done mast before?

[J-41-sd]

Yes I have done mast, I have also been cutting carbs and dropping weight, I did this before a previous cycle with mast p, prop and var with good results. I wouldn't go as far as to say I am lowering carbs so much as to go keto. That's generally under 70-80 carbs correct?

[scotty51312]

depends on the keto diet. IMO if you frontload with enth you're really only going to gain about 2 weeks with your blood levels being high enough to kick in. I'd rather do an oral kickstart like var, tbol, dbol, or anadrol for the first 4 weeks depending on your goals

[c-Z]

Orals are always good when it comes to getting going. I sometimes run prop in with my test e to get going. Some orals i have noticed seem to hurt my appetite a bit.. IDK if its just me but... With drol i have to force myself to eat.. I am just no hungry.

[Far from massive]

c-Z I agree, I took orals ages ago and they suppressed the hell out of my appetite, I am running a prop cycle now but when I do my spring cycle of TestE with a low dose of Deca for joints I plan to use prop in decreasing (say 70/50/30/15 ed weeks 1-4 dosages while the E builds up unless someone convinces me its a bad idea.

[c-Z]

I personally wouldn't run prop at that low of a dose. Just go at it 100mg eod...or 50mg ed. Thats still 350mgs of prop a week to kick off the cycle...

[inevitable]

Prop or TNE (TNE the better of the two) if your going to front, also instead of double the dose just for 1 week do it on weeks 2 and 3 as well. Me personally never noticed a difference if i double the dose on the long ester for the first 3 weeks so its just personal opinion.

[J-41-sd]

Thanks fellas, it seemed like I wouldn't really notice much I have done d-bol kickstart in the past, worked well, I felt I was a bit on edge with it and it's the only thing I have had that problem with so I wanted to avoid it, love var but wouldn't consider taking any less than 50mg a day and so it is a bit cost prohibitive. I appreiciate all the help guys.

[baseline_9]

Dbol over 20 mg messed with my eating gave me really bad back cramps, i could not sleep without a ater bottle on my lower back at 50mg LOL

Just agreeing with the guys that r saying it can supress ur apitite

[Far from massive]

Just to clear things up,

I was talking about running (in addition to the normal dose of TestE) 70mg/ed or TestP for the 1st week, then 50 mg/ed 2nd wk, then 30 mg/ed third week, finally 15 ed 4th wk.... although the last week might be a waste of good syringes :-)

Maybe a schedule of 100/75/50/50 wks 1-4 would be better?

[baseline_9]

LOL just run Test P and Mast P for 6-8 weeks, pin ED

[baseline_9]

I was thinking FFM was the OP in my last post,, sorry!