Looking to go above natural test levels, but nothing crazy. please help.

[kaptainkeezy04]

Hello. I have been lifting weights seriously for 6 years, and I am 25 years old in December. I am a full time student, part time employee, and I can simply not get enough rest and avoid enough stress to keep natural HGH and test levels where they should be. I am getting pharmaceutical quality American made HGH, and as far as testosterone goes, I would just like to do a moderate dose that I can run for as long as I wish, without too many side effects, and I'm not looking to blow up like some roided out bodybuilder, so I am thinking 200mg of test c or e a week, or would that be too much? I just miss the random erections throughout the day I used to get a few years ago, and the constant feeling of friskiness. Also I would love to be able to get a late workout without feeling completely dead when I get off work. Keep in mind I am looking to do a safe dose that I could do for as long as I wish. I already have a bottle of clomid and nolvadex, and 2 bottles of testosterone, one of which is sustanon. Thoughts? Ideas?

[Bonaparte]

You've been here for 6 years and you think you can just run test for as long as you like without committing to TRT?

[KAEW44]

The thing is if you look at the steroid profiles section you will see that with Test-E and Test-C the actual effective amount of testosterone you get is around 67-68mg effective for every 100mg injected, so if you inject 200mg a week your effective quantity your body gets will be about a max of 136mg only!! The rough average natural test levels are around 70mg-100mg a week (roughly). So injecting 200mg a week will mean you have gone over the natural max poduction by about 18% ??? i am ballparking it man but lets be realistic.....
You will introduce a synthetic testosterone with only 18% higher than the average max natural production, while very possible shutting down your natural production since you will be running it for a long time, you have to ask yourself is it even worth it? 18% more testosterone you will barely notice i dont know why you would shut down your natural test for a cycle so low in dosage?

The sex drive issue does not always point directly at test levels, there are many many many MANY reasons why more and more younger men are not as....how did you put it "frisky" or getting random boners they have alot to do with diet/supplements/stress/NWO conspiracy/UN trying to make us sterile by vaccination to reduce population, take your pick but the only way to be sure is to go do bloodwork, because you could have all the physical signs of lowered test but still have perfectly normal test levels by blood.

Sorry to rant for long but try this:

1-Blood work full panel on sex hormones (Free test/Prolactin/etc)
2-If things are showing low test then let your doctor prescribe a dosage for test
3-If Test is normal then skip the cycling of testosterone and just do the growth
4-If you decide to still go with a test cycle on your own then go with higher dosage because 200mg a week is not enough for significant recovery and sex drive boost, but do a good PCT after.

[Bonaparte]

The thing is if you look at the steroid profiles section you will see that with Test-E and Test-C the actual effective amount of testosterone you get is around 67-68mg effective for every 100mg injected, so if you inject 200mg a week your effective quantity your body gets will be about a max of 136mg only!! The rough average natural test levels are around 70mg-100mg a week (roughly). So injecting 200mg a week will mean you have gone over the natural max poduction by about 18% ??? i am ballparking it man but lets be realistic.....
You will introduce a synthetic testosterone with only 18% higher than the average max natural production, while very possible shutting down your natural production since you will be running it for a long time, you have to ask yourself is it even worth it? 18% more testosterone you will barely notice i dont know why you would shut down your natural test for a cycle so low in dosage?

The sex drive issue does not always point directly at test levels, there are many many many MANY reasons why more and more younger men are not as....how did you put it "frisky" or getting random boners they have alot to do with diet/supplements/stress/NWO conspiracy/UN trying to make us sterile by vaccination to reduce population, take your pick but the only way to be sure is to go do bloodwork, because you could have all the physical signs of lowered test but still have perfectly normal test levels by blood.

Sorry to rant for long but try this:

1-Blood work full panel on sex hormones (Free test/Prolactin/etc)
2-If things are showing low test then let your doctor prescribe a dosage for test
3-If Test is normal then skip the cycling of testosterone and just do the growth
4-If you decide to still go with a test cycle on your own then go with higher dosage because 200mg a week is not enough for significant recovery and sex drive boost, but do a good PCT after.

Seeing as how a healthy young male only produces 5-10mg of test in a day naturally, 200mg/week would still be at least twice what he is naturally producing. Other than that, the rest of your advice was dead on.
OP, just realize that you're talking about HRT here, not supplementing your natural production.

[kaptainkeezy04]

great input guys. i am second guessing myself. any other thoughts out there?

[junkiescumbag]

The thing is if you look at the steroid profiles section you will see that with Test-E and Test-C the actual effective amount of testosterone you get is around 67-68mg effective for every 100mg injected, so if you inject 200mg a week your effective quantity your body gets will be about a max of 136mg only!! The rough average natural test levels are around 70mg-100mg a week (roughly). So injecting 200mg a week will mean you have gone over the natural max poduction by about 18% ??? i am ballparking it man but lets be realistic.....
You will introduce a synthetic testosterone with only 18% higher than the average max natural production, while very possible shutting down your natural production since you will be running it for a long time, you have to ask yourself is it even worth it? 18% more testosterone you will barely notice i dont know why you would shut down your natural test for a cycle so low in dosage?

The sex drive issue does not always point directly at test levels, there are many many many MANY reasons why more and more younger men are not as....how did you put it "frisky" or getting random boners they have alot to do with diet/supplements/stress/NWO conspiracy/UN trying to make us sterile by vaccination to reduce population, take your pick but the only way to be sure is to go do bloodwork, because you could have all the physical signs of lowered test but still have perfectly normal test levels by blood.

Sorry to rant for long but try this:

1-Blood work full panel on sex hormones (Free test/Prolactin/etc)
2-If things are showing low test then let your doctor prescribe a dosage for test
3-If Test is normal then skip the cycling of testosterone and just do the growth
4-If you decide to still go with a test cycle on your own then go with higher dosage because 200mg a week is not enough for significant recovery and sex drive boost, but do a good PCT after.

joke?

[Far from massive]

I heard the damn UN is starting with the BB community, I have a strong suspision that 98% of the UGL labs and powder sources are really gov programs where the products are cut with the sterilizing agent...I am also beginning to wonder about zap-caps they say they are not pre-sterilized...what does that reaaallly mean?

[Bonaparte]

I heard the damn UN is starting with the BB community, I have a strong suspision that 98% of the UGL labs and powder sources are really gov programs where the products are cut with the sterilizing agent...I am also beginning to wonder about zap-caps they say they are not pre-sterilized...what does that reaaallly mean?

Lulz. Considering some of the guys that come through these forums (and the majority of AAS users who never even bothered to go online and research anything), we can only hope that the plan works...

[Far from massive]

Nice...^^^...PS my testp riddled legs finally stopped hurting enough so I could get up outta the chair and get my wallet out, so I ordered the EO.. I will let you know how it works for me in a week or so.

[Excallibro]

great input guys. i am second guessing myself. any other thoughts out there?

The typical routine for HRT, for older guys is about 100mg Test, twice a week. HCG, 600 units, twice a week, and anaztrozole, as needed ... IN my case, I'm prescribed 0.25 mg, but I take up to 1 mg per day on my own, if I want to be a little "friskier" than average. Caution: prolonged anastrozole doses of above 0.5mg per day, can lower E2, and kill your libido. It's better to bump it, and then cut back to no more than 0.25.

I take all three of these, in the amounts given, and I'm doing fine. However, I do not do this year round, because you can develop a tolerance to these substances, regardless of what ANYONE tries to tell you. I take a vacation now and then, and wean myself off, trailing off with the HCG for a couple of weeks, and the anaztrozole for about three weeks, stepping down the dosage for both.

You can get the results you're looking for with this, and if you need to boost your libido, you can play around some with the HCG and the anastrozole, but I wouldn't alter the Test. dose. The less of this you take, the less likely to produce tolerance.

In this case, tolerance can be viewed as interference with the natural rhythm of your intracellular communication. In other words the feedback mechanism. Keep in mind, you're taking substances that are interfering with tissue communication. So this is no small matter. It's more complicated than taking a drug, designed to affect one or more tissues.

Personally, if I was 25, I wouldn't do it, unless I was diagnosed with low T. You're going to need that bang for your buck when your 45. Although admittedly by then, they'll probably have gene therapy anyway.

[Bonaparte]

The typical routine for HRT, for older guys is about 100mg Test, twice a week. HCG, 600 units, twice a week, and anaztrozole, as needed ... IN my case, I'm prescribed 0.25 mg, but I take up to 1 mg per day on my own, if I want to be a little "friskier" than average. Caution: prolonged anastrozole doses of above 0.5mg per day, can lower E2, and kill your libido. It's better to bump it, and then cut back to no more than 0.25.

I take all three of these, in the amounts given, and I'm doing fine. However, I do not do this year round, because you can develop a tolerance to these substances, regardless of what ANYONE tries to tell you. I take a vacation now and then, and wean myself off, trailing off with the HCG for a couple of weeks, and the anaztrozole for about three weeks, stepping down the dosage for both.

You can get the results you're looking for with this, and if you need to boost your libido, you can play around some with the HCG and the anastrozole, but I wouldn't alter the Test. dose. The less of this you take, the less likely to produce tolerance.

In this case, tolerance can be viewed as interference with the natural rhythm of your intracellular communication. In other words the feedback mechanism. Keep in mind, you're taking substances that are interfering with tissue communication. So this is no small matter. It's more complicated than taking a drug, designed to affect one or more tissues.

Personally, if I was 25, I wouldn't do it, unless I was diagnosed with low T. You're going to need that bang for your buck when your 45. Although admittedly by then, they'll probably have gene therapy anyway.

I've never heard of anyone being prescribed 2 shots per week.
Normally its 200mg every other week, or 100mg/week if you're lucky (which is fine and puts most guys at a good levels).
And that's a lot of HCG, considering that a healthy male only produces LH equivalent to 750IUs/week of HCG.