Should I be taking something besides TEST on my first cycle?

[Infanz]

I'm taking 1.25 cc's of test cypionate on modays and thursdays and am approaching my 5th week on monday. Things seem to be going well, I just expected my fat to be lowering more than it is.

My question is, should I be taking something besides test cyp on my first cycle, such as something to prevent fat gain or aromatization? My diet is clean, usually some kind of meat and a vegetable for each meal. 300 grams protein a day, the only carbs I eat are from vegetables, fruits or oats. 6'5" 260 pounds, 32. Thanks.

[Brewster]

I have read through your posts.

The simple answer is... NO
just follow up with a proper PCT

[Bonaparte]

Yes. Aromasin and HCG throughout the cycle.

[Infanz]

Thanks for the quick responses. Well, one says No and one says yes. Which one is it? heh

[Infanz]

I don't have access to Aromasin but I do have access to Arimiplex (Anastrozole), Clomid, Pregnyl (HCG) 5000iu, Proviraplex 20 tabs and also Tamoxiplex. Would any of these work? And do I really need to do something on my first cycle or should I wait to see how test alone affects me?

[Brewster]

You are half way done.
You are up weight,
you claim to be retaining some water... It can;t be that much
you have no gyno or any other sides

Your worried about cutting fat. All diet and cardio, no additional compounds req.

So I do not see the need for HCG or Arom.
Just what I think

[Infanz]

You are half way done.
You are up weight,
you claim to be retaining some water... It can;t be that much
you have no gyno or any other sides

Your worried about cutting fat. All diet and cardio, no additional compounds req.

So I do not see the need for HCG or Arom.
Just what I think

Awesome. Just within this past week I really started cleaning up my diet so I assume within the last 6 weeks it should really show some results. Is there such a thing as too much cardio? I do anywhere from 20-40 minutes a day which consists of jogging on a treadmill on my 20 minute days, and jogging plus step mill on my more cardio intensive days.

[Bonaparte]

I'd go with a bit of Adex (start out at .25 EOD) and a 5000IU amp of HCG.
Who wants to be bloated and fat looking? Besides, high estrogen isn't good for you (high BP, prostate enlargement, HPTA suppression).
And you'll want to hit the HCG before starting PCT to get your balls back up and running early.
Oh, and you'll obviously need Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

[Brewster]

Awesome. Just within this past week I really started cleaning up my diet so I assume within the last 6 weeks it should really show some results. Is there such a thing as too much cardio? I do anywhere from 20-40 minutes a day which consists of jogging on a treadmill on my 20 minute days, and jogging plus step mill on my more cardio intensive days.

Issue bolded above. Keep that Diet Clean. Cardio Looks fine.
With Test E, I would not be afraid to push it to 12 weeks on your first cycle either. We will need to see how your gains are etc.

Bonaparte is not wrong. You could take HCG and ADEX.
Its up to You.

[Infanz]

It's Test cyp not E. but I guess they are pretty much the same thing. When you say ADEX, is that Arimidex? It will take me a few weeks to have it shipped, so I'll have a good 3 weeks during my cycle and 3 weeks after my last shot is what is recommended before starting PCT. Is there a guideline anywhere that I can follow if I want to throw in some Arimidex and HCG? I want to make sure I'm doing everything exactly as I should. Thanks for your help guys, it's much appreciated.

[Bonaparte]

It's Test cyp not E. but I guess they are pretty much the same thing. When you say ADEX, is that Arimidex? It will take me a few weeks to have it shipped, so I'll have a good 3 weeks during my cycle and 3 weeks after my last shot is what is recommended before starting PCT. Is there a guideline anywhere that I can follow if I want to throw in some Arimidex and HCG? I want to make sure I'm doing everything exactly as I should. Thanks for your help guys, it's much appreciated.

In that case, don't bother with the Adex. But you should definitely get the HCG (along with Nolva and Clomid for PCT).
Depending on when you get the HCG, just use the whole 5000IUs spread out so that you last shot of it is 3-7 days before you start the SERMs. 2 shots per week.
And you only wait 2 weeks after your last shot of Cyp to start PCT, not 3.

[Infanz]

In that case, don't bother with the Adex. But you should definitely get the HCG (along with Nolva and Clomid for PCT).
Depending on when you get the HCG, just use the whole 5000IUs spread out so that you last shot of it is 3-7 days before you start the SERMs. 2 shots per week.
And you only wait 2 weeks after your last shot of Cyp to start PCT, not 3.

Ok so HCG, 2 shots per week and stop about a week or less before I start my PCT. For my PCT, use Clomid and Nolva, I'm assuming for 3 weeks?

[Bonaparte]

Ok so HCG, 2 shots per week and stop about a week or less before I start my PCT. For my PCT, use Clomid and Nolva, I'm assuming for 3 weeks?

You didn't do much research at all before jumping into this, did you?
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50

[Infanz]

I know some veterans who have been doing it for 20+ years, they only do test cyp and clomid for PCT, that's it. These internet forums are the only places I've seen that said to do more.

[Infanz]

You didn't do much research at all before jumping into this, did you?
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50

'm assuming this is units.mgs per day for 5 weeks for Nolva and 4 weeks for clomid?

[ghettoboyd]

I know some veterans who have been doing it for 20+ years, they only do test cyp and clomid for PCT, that's it. These internet forums are the only places I've seen that said to do more.

even though this is an internet forum understand that most peeps besides the parrots are giving advise from there own real world experiance and a lot of peeps here are infact veterans of the game....its really your choice... ive only done the nolva/clomid protocol for pct in all my cycles and have recovered quite quickly with it....again its really up to you but id advise not being cheap with your pct cus its a vital part of any cycle imho...good luck...

[Bonaparte]

'm assuming this is units.mgs per day for 5 weeks for Nolva and 4 weeks for clomid?

Yeah. mgs per day for that week. Each slash mark separates one week from the next.

[TheMemoryRemains]

No such thing as to much cardio.
No need to take anything else your cycle is clean just extra cardio for the weight loss + its AAS weight and water itll fade.

This is something you should have thought of before you started your cycle bro

[cro]

i dont care i would always run aromasin at 12.5 through out cycle no rebound no tits

[Infanz]

I dont have access to to aromasin or Nolvadex, here's what I have access to for my Post cycle and on cycle (besides test of course)

Arimiplex (Anastrozole)
Clomid
Pregnyl (HCG) 5000iu
Proviraplex 20 tabs
Tamoxiplex

Out of these what should I use ON cycle and as my PCT?

[Infanz]

Hello?

[Bonaparte]

"Tamoxiplex" is Nolva (tamoxifen citrate).

[anabolicextreme]

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[Godleeone]

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