need ADVICE on a first cycle!

**harvin6** · 12-17-2010, 11:55 PM

THANKS TO MARCUS AND MANY OTHERS THAT TOLD ME TO DIET NATURALLY FIRST REALLY PAID OFF. Now i really need to grow.

**cro** · 12-18-2010, 12:25 AM

well i still think you can grow naturaly at that weight . i think everyone that cycles should be able to reach some decent weight on their own .good job on cutting 12% bf in 3 months . cycle looks planed out well .i like the properties of aromasin better than adex theres no rebound. and your probably going to want to cut back on cardio while on the cycle to maybe 20 min a day . your looking to bulk up some muscle now

**vettewreck** · 12-18-2010, 03:45 AM

As Cro said, you can still grow alot with just diet and normal supplements. But since its your very first cycle, you dont need 2 compounds. Start with 1 (test) bc you need to know how you body will react to it alone first and to minimize the sides. I also think that at your whopping weight of 163lbs you dont need 500mg of test. 375 will be plenty which is .75cc on monday and again on thursday. Drop the Dbol . Use it on your second cycle.

**Brewster** · 12-18-2010, 03:47 AM

ya man,
still tons more room to grow

I think you should shoot for 180 naturally

**harvin6** · 12-18-2010, 07:41 AM

thx for your replies but im a bit impatient wanna grow faster abit i will start a log when i start my cycle probably after xmas

**harvin6** · 12-18-2010, 07:43 AM

and i was planning to gain lean mass thats why im introducing cardio

**MBMETC** · 12-18-2010, 09:07 AM

I think you need to gain natty for now it will allow you to gauge your diet better as far as lean or fat gains go.
Don't be in a hurry work on knowing you body, you learned to cut naturally now let's see if you can gain lbm naturally for a couple of months. You'll be happier with your results in the end..jm2c

**cro** · 12-18-2010, 09:56 AM

bud that was in my mind for years ,it took my till i was 38 to start my 1st cycle . i used to to take pride that my build was somewhat comparable to those on gear . questioned all the time in gym. i know it is possible to get there natty first . BUT i also understand you . good luck .

Originally Posted by harvin6

thx for your replies but im a bit impatient wanna grow faster abit i will start a log when i start my cycle probably after xmas

**vettewreck** · 12-18-2010, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by harvin6

thx for your replies but im a bit impatient wanna grow faster abit i will start a log when i start my cycle probably after xmas

Thats just ignorant man. You will lose any gains or most of all your gains you get bc you dont have a base to HOLD what you get. At the very least, DROP THE DBOL and run test only and at a lower dose. You asked for advice for your first cycle, we gave it, and youre still gonna do whatever you want? Yea forget those guys who clearly know what they are talking about. Smart kid, real smart.

**cro** · 12-18-2010, 10:22 AM

valid point .everyone wants to know it will be alright . when they dont hear what they want they shut it off. why ask then.....

Originally Posted by vettewreck

Thats just ignorant man. You will lose any gains or most of all your gains you get bc you dont have a base to HOLD what you get. At the very least, DROP THE DBOL and run test only and at a lower dose. You asked for advice for your first cycle, we gave it, and youre still gonna do whatever you want? Yea forget those guys who clearly know what they are talking about. Smart kid, real smart.

**Tigershark** · 12-18-2010, 11:05 AM

Keep growing naturally. Check out the diet section for some great advice and research.

**MBMETC** · 12-19-2010, 12:56 AM

I know it seems contradictory, lose weight before cycling, gain weight before cycling.but listen to the advice I gave you gain some quality weight notice I said quality weight you need to train your body to eat correctly it's not easy to consume 3000-3500 cals of chicken, rice and yams bro trust me. Write done everything you eat in a day, no shakes and see where your at we don't realize that are diet isn't as strong as it seems till we write it down. Don't cycle until you know your gains will not be lost, why waste your time man, be patient it will pay dividends.
Good luck

**harvin6** · 12-19-2010, 02:40 PM

thanks alot bros....i will certainly do that .... im also considering to compete in may be 2 years time in a local competition. Really appreciate all the help. I will try it naturally until i reach my limit .TQ

**MBMETC** · 12-19-2010, 02:43 PM

Good luck

**ty357** · 12-19-2010, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by vettewreck

As Cro said, you can still grow alot with just diet and normal supplements. But since its your very first cycle, you dont need 2 compounds. Start with 1 (test) bc you need to know how you body will react to it alone first and to minimize the sides. I also think that at your whopping weight of 163lbs you dont need 500mg of test. 375 will be plenty which is .75cc on monday and again on thursday. Drop the Dbol. Use it on your second cycle.

lmao dont mean to laugh but at your whopping weight of 163 V is right you dont need 500mg of test a week> You need a lil more patients get that whopping 163 up to like a whopping 180 0r 190.