INPUT PLEASE! Just took first injection...paranoid I did it wrong :p

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

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[DBolNoob]

I injected 1 ml of testosteron enanthate, and followed it up with (took these orally not injected) .5 ml liquid letro, .5 ml liquid Tamox, and 1 ml liquid keto... did I do it right? Are my balls gonna fall off?

Highly likely

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

oh well... they had a good run. So long fellas

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But seriously, did I make any mistakes?

[vettewreck]

Why do you think you made a mistake?

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

I don't think that I did necessarily, just wanted to be sure. I've never done this before...

[Fetch]

Well, did you follow proper precedure when injecting?
What size/gauge needle did you use? What site? Did you aspirate? No blood? Are you flailing on the ground coughing globs of mucous onto the floor and wishing for death?

Chances are, you're fine.

[DBolNoob]

Well, did you follow proper precedure when injecting?
What size/gauge needle did you use? What site? Did you aspirate? No blood? Are you flailing on the ground coughing globs of mucous onto the floor and wishing for death?

Chances are, you're fine.

Sounds like a typical saturday morning for me!

[Markosterone]

unless you found your needles and syringes in a shitty garbage can and risk an infection, you would have noticed if anything was wrong. like injecting in a vein or hitting a nerv.

keep it clean, and enjoy..

[TestAce]

Why are you taking Letro? There is no reason to take that strong of an AI right away unless you are already having symptoms of gyno. Stop taking it and switch to Aromasin, ditch the Tamox too.

[cro]

use exemastane (aromasin ) i agree with test ace seems like your over doing it .

I injected 1 ml of testosteron enanthate, and followed it up with (took these orally not injected) .5 ml liquid letro, .5 ml liquid Tamox, and 1 ml liquid keto... did I do it right? Are my balls gonna fall off?

[MACHINE5150]

drop the letro and you will be good to go.. how many mgs per week are u running of the Test E??

[sixoner]

and 1 ml liquid keto..

whats the ketotifen for?? runny nose??

[JohnnyVegas]

I was freaking before and after my first injection. No drama after that. Just keep everything clean and always aspirate.

[Tigershark]

I was freaking before and after my first injection. No drama after that. Just keep everything clean and always aspirate.

Exactly.

[songdog]

Yes drop the letro.

[MAC MAN]

I injected 1 ml of testosteron enanthate, and followed it up with (took these orally not injected) .5 ml liquid letro, .5 ml liquid Tamox, and 1 ml liquid keto... did I do it right? Are my balls gonna fall off?

Letro, Tomax, and Keto???

[Far from massive]

^^^^Doesn't everyone do a PCT after each ml of test......

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[LOPTOBOBLOS]

Why are you taking Letro? There is no reason to take that strong of an AI right away unless you are already having symptoms of gyno. Stop taking it and switch to Aromasin, ditch the Tamox too.

use exemastane (aromasin ) i agree with test ace seems like your over doing it .

I'm fine with dropping my letro, but I really don't want to drop the cash for another drug and then wait for it to show up in the mail. I've read that tamoxifen is effective and safe. If I just run the test E and the liquid tamox would that be a good way to go?

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

BTW, my workout went pretty good yesterday. Even thought the Keto seemed to tire me out faster than normal.
But I wanted to mention that I'm RIDICULOUSLY sore. Moving is pain. I only mention this because I heard that I wouldn't get sore while on a cycle, no matter how hard I pushed myself. Is this not normally the case?

[sixoner]

hey bro I hate to be the one to break the news to you but ketotifen is an antihistamine...or the off label use for it, what we use it for is to up-regulate beta-2 adrenergic receptors down-regulated by beta-2 adrenergic agonists.

simply put the clenbuteral and albuteral target the bronchial beta-2 adrenergic receptors desensitizing them, this causes the compound to become less effective as time goes on so you take ketotifen to re-sensitze those receptors allowing effective use of those compounds for longer periods of time or you simply take time off and allow your beta-2 receptors to recover naturally, the 2week on/off protocol

keto is just an antihistamine bro, its probably listed in there because the clen is in that section kinda like putting peanut butter next to the jelly on the bread isle.

probably a good idea to find out what the compounds are and how they work before taking them...stupid hurts bro you got lucky this time but what about next time

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

hey bro I hate to be the one to break the news to you but ketotifen is an antihistamine...or the off label use for it, what we use it for is to up-regulate beta-2 adrenergic receptors down-regulated by beta-2 adrenergic agonists.

simply put the clenbuteral and albuteral target the bronchial beta-2 adrenergic receptors desensitizing them, this causes the compound to become less effective as time goes on so you take ketotifen to re-sensitze those receptors allowing effective use of those compounds for longer periods of time or you simply take time off and allow your beta-2 receptors to recover naturally, the 2week on/off protocol

keto is just an antihistamine bro, its probably listed in there because the clen is in that section kinda like putting peanut butter next to the jelly on the bread isle.

probably a good idea to find out what the compounds are and how they work before taking them...stupid hurts bro you got lucky this time but what about next time

Good call man. I posted this just for comments like that, I want to learn from my mistakes. I've been trying to do as much research as possible, just bought the keto on a whim. I did check to see if could be dangerous, but I shoulda checked if it was actually a fat-burner, haha.

But besides the keto, i read from this article ( http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...for-the-Newbie ) that I should be taking Nolvadex as well as another AI (why I bought the letro) with my Test E.
From the advice I've gotten, I suppose I'll be dropping the letro; is this just because it's overkill?

Also, If I bump up my bi-weekly injection to 150 or 250 mg should I add the letro back in?

[Bonaparte]

Your whole cycle plan is a mess and the lack of research is pretty frightening. Who just buys prescription drugs and takes them on a whim, without even knowing why or what they do?
And why are you taking 2 shots on some weeks, and 3 shots on others? Pick a dose and injection schedule and stick to it.

[JohnnyVegas]

Are you really injecting bi-weekly? That is once every two weeks. If you are injecting twice a week, that is semi weekly. I am NOT being a grammar Nazi, simply pointing out that accurate info is important for getting good advice.

I wouldn't time injections with workouts. Pick a schedule and stick to it so your test levels stay consistant. More importantly, do more research so you don't mess your body up. I know others have said that above, I am just reinforcing.

[cro]

yes you could run tamox 10 mg ed before bed.

I'm fine with dropping my letro, but I really don't want to drop the cash for another drug and then wait for it to show up in the mail. I've read that tamoxifen is effective and safe. If I just run the test E and the liquid tamox would that be a good way to go?

[Bonaparte]

yes you could run tamox 10 mg ed before bed.

It has a 7 day half-life, so it doesn't matter when you take it.

[LOPTOBOBLOS]

Are you really injecting bi-weekly? That is once every two weeks. If you are injecting twice a week, that is semi weekly. I am NOT being a grammar Nazi, simply pointing out that accurate info is important for getting good advice.

I wouldn't time injections with workouts. Pick a schedule and stick to it so your test levels stay consistant. More importantly, do more research so you don't mess your body up. I know others have said that above, I am just reinforcing.

I meant semi-weekly *facepalm I got a bum tip from a friend of mine. He had pretty good results, so I just assumed he knew what he was talking about. I was told to inject one hour before each workout, and take the tamox in the evening on days I'd injected.

I went and looked up more information on Test E, and i see that I had a few misinterpretations (to say the least).

http://www.silownia.net/steroids/testosterone_enanthate This says test is generally injected weekly or once every 2 weeks, in dosages between 250 and 1000 mg a week. Given this info, I'm thinking once a week at 500 mg should work for me. Is this a better method?

I've also been looking for more information on anti-estrogens and AIs.... but I've been seeing differing opinions. I've read that I should be taking Nolvadex every day from the start of my cycle, and I've also read that I shouldn't even take it unless I'm already experiencing gyno. What's the consensus on this?

I subscribed to this site to learn the ropes, and to bounce my thoughts off of it's members (who are admittedly much more informed on AS than I am), I'm not trying to impress anyone. Thank you for all the comments, I've been learning a lot from them.

[Bonaparte]

Just pin 250mg twice weekly.