What SERMs and AIs are TRULY required for a 1st cycle of testosterone

[Van Suka]

Okay...It is now week four since I've joined and I must say, I have learned more than I expected. I have concentrated my research on threads/responses from Vets & Anabolic members.

I understand there are other compounds one could add to my game plan below; keep in mind however, this is for a 1st cycle so I want to keep it simple.

I have also expanded the abbreviations and have tried to make it as clear as possible for the other rookies out there whom can learn a lot from this thread.

My stats:

33 yrs. old
5'9.5"
178 lbs
14% Body fat
2 yrs. intense training
No cycle experience

If there are crucial gaps that need to be filled, your input is appreciated:

CYCLE:
Testosterone (Enanthate or Cypionate) - 400-500mg/week (pin 2x/week)

AIs (Aromatase Inhibitors):
HCG - 125-250 iu/2-3x weekly (during test cycle)
Aromasin - 12.50mg/EOD (during test cycle)


PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) SERMs:
Clomid - 50mg.50mg.25mg.25mg (4 weeks post cycle)
Nolvadex - 40mg.40mg.20mg.20mg (4 weeks post cycle)

Thank you in advance and happy learning everyone!

[sixoner]

HCG is not an AI

[bodybuilder]

Your pct looks good as is. As for a AI during cycle that is up to you. Some would recommend you run it throwout your hole cycle other will say to wait till sides arise then start to administer it. I am currently on my first test e cycle and i have found i did not need an AI not to say you might not. Ether way you decide to go make sure you have an AI on hand and you have all your pct prior to starting your cycle.

[Van Suka]

Your pct looks good as is. As for a AI during cycle that is up to you. Some would recommend you run it throwout your hole cycle other will say to wait till sides arise then start to administer it. I am currently on my first test e cycle and i have found i did not need an AI not to say you might not. Ether way you decide to go make sure you have an AI on hand and you have all your pct prior to starting your cycle.

If I decide to run Test for 8 weeks, will 4 weeks of PCT suffice or should I go for 6-8 weeks?

[bodybuilder]

Why only 8 weeks. Your typical test cycle is either 10-12 weeks.

[bodybuilder]

Also i forgot to mention make sure your diet is in check prior to starting your cycle. If your diet is not proper you will be very disappointed with the results you get. In other words it will be a waste of time and money.

[kbm12345]

12.5mg of aromasin eod might be abit much, curently on a test prop cycle and was doing 12.5mg eod and it completely shut down my estrogen. No libido, or morning boners and bad back aches. Going to do 6mg e4/5d day now, hopefully that will be better.

[desizon]

PCT looks good.
with cyp/enth and other longer esters, you may want to run a ten week versus eight.
I like to do a 5 week pct, sometimes six
HCG, good call. If I were you, I'd bring the AI in if i felt the need to.. kind of play it as it goes.

[Solidarity]

If you are running a 500 MG per week test cycle the truth is most people do not need an AI. Of course this depends on the person but most people are just paranoid about gyno so they run an AI (Usually a dose that is much too high). My suggestion would to be keep an AI on hand and use it if only if you have any negative sides.

I am not really a fan of clomid but it shouldn't hurt but honestly there is no reason to go over 20 mg of nolva a day. It is unnecessary.

[stevey_6t9]

looks fine, just adjust the AI dose to your needs.