Cycle #2 Thoughts (mostly PCT)

[dsldsl1980]

I'm currently 180 lb about 13% BF 30 years old. Was here for my first cycle which went great. I lost a bit of my gains due to an injury and getting sick from my first cycle but I'm almost back to where I was after PCT now. I have been off cycle for about 5 months now and am getting ready to start cycle 2. Probably my last (we will see). Last time my results peaked at 10 weeks so I will be ending there instead of 12 like last time.

wk 1-10 Test E 500 mg 250 twice a week
wk 1-4 Dbol 50 mg ed
Nolva as needed

PCT
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)
wk 1-6 Tamox/Nolva 20mg/ED

I want to get up to 200LB maintain it for a month or so then cut the fat to get down to a LEAN 180. My diet was decent last time but improved through the cycle thanks to the diet section here. This time I will be MUCH more prepared on my diet to get the most out of my cycle. I'm hoping for pretty clean gains as my cloths will not support me getting fat . Thoughts? Mostly on my PCT as its different then last time.

[baseline_9]

PCT looks good, id keep both at 6 weeks tho

maybe 120 tore for 7 days and 40 nolva for 7 days then half both doses for the remainder

As far as the cycle I personally would run the dbol at a lower dose and run it for 10 weeks, 20mg was good for me due to cramps on 50mg


Get the stamp of aproval from swifto tho...

WHats ur height?

Get over to the diet section and post ur ur diet for critique, make sure ur doing as well as u can

[SG2009]

looks good, make sure u focus on your diet and form. Good luck

I'm currently 180 lb about 13% BF 30 years old. Was here for my first cycle which went great. I lost a bit of my gains due to an injury and getting sick from my first cycle but I'm almost back to where I was after PCT now. I have been off cycle for about 5 months now and am getting ready to start cycle 2. Probably my last (we will see). Last time my results peaked at 10 weeks so I will be ending there instead of 12 like last time.

wk 1-10 Test E 500 mg 250 twice a week
wk 1-4 Dbol 50 mg ed
Nolva as needed

PCT
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)
wk 1-6 Tamox/Nolva 20mg/ED

I want to get up to 200LB maintain it for a month or so then cut the fat to get down to a LEAN 180. My diet was decent last time but improved through the cycle thanks to the diet section here. This time I will be MUCH more prepared on my diet to get the most out of my cycle. I'm hoping for pretty clean gains as my cloths will not support me getting fat . Thoughts? Mostly on my PCT as its different then last time.

[Matt]

I know you have nolva, i presume thats for gyno issues but i would get an ai (adex or stane) and keep it on hand....

[baseline_9]

I know you have nolva, i presume that for gyno issue but i would get an ai (adex or stane) and keep it on hand....

Was going to say this, but in my ramberling BS i forgot

[dsldsl1980]

So just keep Arimidex on hand incase I get gyno? Wouldn't that be what I would do with the Nolva instead or run both? As for the question I'm 5' 9".

[Matt]

Nolva would work however all that does is stop estrogen from binding with breast receptors, which is fine however adex will lower overall estrogen which can cause bloat loss of libido and gyno.. So i would use the ldex if needed....

[dsldsl1980]

I guess what I'm asking is what do you mean by "As needed" or how would one know if its needed at that point?

[Ruffiancino]

He sort of explained it to you in the post above yours, but I'll try to help you out too. Nolva is going to stop the estrogen from binding with breast receptors, so you shouldn't get the nipple lumps. But there are other estrogen related sides that nolva will not take care of. It won't lower your estrogen levels on it's own. With increased test, you get increased estrogen, whether or not you "feel" the effects of the estrogen vary from person to person. Like Matt said, it can cause bloat, lack of libido, acne etc.....

But I've noticed other things that happen when you let your estrogen levels stay high too, mainly in the emotional area. I didn't run an AI on my first cycle, because I decided to just "play it by ear". I didn't have any physical side effects, but I was an absolute basket case emotionally. I can imagine why girls are so retarded when they are on the rag. I won't run a cycle without running an AI now. It's cheap, and I'd rather play it safe, then play it by ear. Just my two cents

[dsldsl1980]

Thanks a ton, that clarify's things for me.