Injection site sore as hell after 3 days

[Hamlet]

Pretty much assuming this is not normal... not scared or anything, just REALLY annoyed that my ass is on fire after 3 days... Cleaned up, warmed up... where did I go wrong???

[baseline_9]

What are u pinning and how much

[Hamlet]

Test/Tren 1cc each (300mg/200mg respectively)... haven't done the Tren yet till find out what I did wrong.
Thanks

[baseline_9]

What are your stats

It sounds like this is ur first cycle

If so, do not use the tren

Im asuming ur test is Enanthate or cyp, some talk about virgin pain from E and C, personally i was fine tho, prop is a real killer tho

[Hamlet]

Yup, sure is my first... 6ft 190lbs 20%bf... bottle says prop, iso, phenyl, nad and deco 60, 80, 80, and 80mg respectively.... On another note, why not Tren on first. Getting my stuff form my trainer, he's the one that suggested the Tren to me... he lead me wrong??
Thanks again.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Yup, sure is my first... 6ft 190lbs 20%bf... bottle says prop, iso, phenyl, nad and deco 60, 80, 80, and 80mg respectively.... On another note, why not Tren on first. Getting my stuff form my trainer, he's the one that suggested the Tren to me... he lead me wrong??
Thanks again.

Wow, that's a lot of esters. According to what I've read it's best to use Tren after experimenting with Test only for a first cycle as it can give harsh sides. If you take them together for the first cycle, you won't know which chemical is causing any issues you might have. First injections always hurt...

[dec11]

your trainer is a clown. what age are you?

[Hamlet]

Thanks. Understood... so by what # injection can I expect the incendiary ass cheek to go away??.. BTW, outside of the expected sides of all aas anything extra I should expect from Tren ?

[Hamlet]

your trainer is a clown. what age are you?

35yo... dec11, where exactly is he leading me wrong as it seems from this post that I may have gotten my share of wrong info.
Thank

[baseline_9]

Expect every possible side effect there is from Tren , but you dont need to worry as you wont be running it rite?

whats ur age?

[dec11]

Expect every possible side effect there is from Tren , but you dont need to worry as you wont be running it rite?

whats ur age?

agreed, leave the tren out

[dec11]

ive had painless injects, ive had injects that ached for 4-5 days, ive never had one that 'burned'

[baseline_9]

Burning sunds like and infection, dont mean to scare you, just saying

[TheMemoryRemains]

What size pins? 23G-25G?

Massage aggressivly afterwards.

Shake bottle, the alcohol in your compound is probably high which causes some irritation + virgin muscels will intend to be insanly sore, sometimes to the point where you can hardly walk/sit/move depending on injecting area for a few days.

In time you'll get the hang of it and your muscels will be use to the new compounds you are giving your body and it will cope with it... really nothing to worry about.

Try a hot shower before your pins to loosen up your muscel, it always helps.

Look up about tren and you'll understand why.

[Hamlet]

Expect every possible side effect there is from Tren , but you dont need to worry as you wont be running it rite?

whats ur age?

35yo

[Hamlet]

What size pins? 23G-25G?

Massage aggressivly afterwards.

Shake bottle, the alcohol in your compound is probably high which causes some irritation + virgin muscels will intend to be insanly sore, sometimes to the point where you can hardly walk/sit/move depending on injecting area for a few days.

In time you'll get the hang of it and your muscels will be use to the new compounds you are giving your body and it will cope with it... really nothing to worry about.

Try a hot shower before your pins to loosen up your muscel, it always helps.

Look up about tren and you'll understand why.

Thorough; Will try that next time, will post and update...

[Hamlet]

great members!

[Far from massive]

If you did this as a glute injection then what can happen is that as you advance the plunger the needle may move out of the muscle depositing some of the gear in the subcutaneous layer where the BA will burn like hell and cause a bruise. On the other hand it certainly could be an infection starting, maybe the tren is dirty?

Good luck FFM,

Here is some information on diagnosing injection pain.

This was posted in 2008 by Canadream, it is a very well written concise article on diagnosing injection problems and how to deal with them (although when needle aspiration is the proper course of action as opposed to incision is a touchy subject) other than that its all good IMHO.

INJECTION PAIN: Diagnosing a problem and what to do!

Here is a scenario that I read all too often on the boards:


A user has injected and a day later is having lots of pain and swelling to his injection site.

There are normally 3 reasons why this would occur.

The first reason is that the injectable used contained too much preservative such as benzyl alcohol which will cause tissue damage, and stimulate a local inflammatory response. The pain from this can be moderate and go away in a few days, or it can be severe and take almost a week to subside. It really depends on how much BA was in the solution injected and how much volume was injected. Normally the pain and inflammation can be controlled with Ice and anti-inflammatory such as Advil and after about the 3rd day, the user should notice a gradual subsiding of the symptoms.

The site should be swollen, and slightly red, but that swelling should be inside the muscle, and should begin to dissipate on the third day along with the pain. This is a slow progression though and could take as long as a week to ten days to fully go away, the key is it will slowly get better, not worse or stay the same.

The 2nd scenario is if you hit the lymphatic system with one of your injections.

The lymphatic system is a network of vessels that flow through your body. It is as extensive as your vascular system, and contains nodes at different parts are like storage depots or garrisons where White cells can accumulate for action.
The important thing to note is that the odds of coming into contact with the lymphatic system, as long as you stick to the conventionally recommended sites of IM injection are very small.
(The recommended sites are deltoids, ventogluteal (side of hip/ buttocks) , dorsal gluteus (back of buttocks top outer corner), vastus lateralis ( abductor lateral (outer side) of quadriceps).

But if you start doing ‘site’ injections, such as pectorals, biceps, inner quads etc. then you run much higher risk of hitting lymphatic tissue and disruption of ducts.

Lymphatic disruption is caused when you puncture into the area. Since it is fluid, but not blood, it has no means of initial clotting so the fluid will continue to flow into surrounding areas causing extreme localized swelling and pain. The swelling will then track up wards along the lymphatic system. The edema that is caused will also include surface edema – i.e. if you indent the area with your finger, the finger mark will remain. That is called ‘pitting edema’.

This edema comes on strong and fast, by the following day it is at its worst. There is normally no redness or ‘heat’ at the site, just swelling and pain. Ice and Advil can be helpful, but it usually takes a week for the swelling to dissipate, and for up to 10 days before you can resume training that body part, as the swelling can be so bad, it will limit your range of motion and flexibility in the muscle injected.

The Keys to note are that this usually occurs in an unconventional injection site, and there the swelling comes on quickly, and then doesn’t get worse. There is very little redness, and heat at the site. The site will have pitting edema, where as injection caused by too much BA has no pitting edema.

The third scenario is an injection site infection.

An infection can be caused by a few different factors but key is that you have introduced a bacterium into your muscle that doesn’t belong there, and is now invading your body.

This can be because what you injected was contaminated, because the needle you used was contaminated, or simply you just didn’t swab well enough either on the vial or your injection site.

The first thing that happens when you inject some gear is that the bacterium will cause a localized inflammatory response. That includes swelling, and redness, and heat to the area, very similar to if you had injected gear with a high BA content. What follows is that the infection will progress, and your body’s immune system will put in steps to defend itself.
Ice and Advil may help the pain, and temporarily blunt the swelling, but if you withdraw the therapy, the swelling continues to get worse. By the third day you will notice pitting edema to the area, unlike the lymphatic caused edema that occurs earlier then the third day.
Inside, the body will be attempting to contain the infection by forming a barrier around the infected area which is called a cyst. If the body is successful the infection can remained contained in that pocket and the body will slowly fight it. However the cyst can continue to grow in size taking up more and more of the muscle belly as cyst formation is not a guarantee that the body is able to kill the infection; it is just a way of slowing its spread.
Without cyst formation, the infection will reach the blood stream and that is when systemic symptoms will start occurring such as high fever, and limb swelling – and a gradual progression to systemic septic shock. We won’t get into this here other than to say, if you felt a fever coming on, then the only place you should be worrying about getting to is the closets Emergency department, as your life could literally be in peril. Once septic shock begins, if it is not caught soon enough it becomes impossible to stop the process regardless of how young and healthy you are; you will die.

So, back to the beginning, if it is the 3rd day, and you are beginning to develop the symptoms I discussed – the pitting edema, and the swelling and pain along with HEAT at the site of injection that is not subsiding, then you pretty much can surmise that you have yourself an abscess.

By finding the original spot that you injected and pressing down with a finger tip, it should be soft and boggy, there should be a finger indentation left in the skin, and there may also be a slight discolouration to the area.

So what is needed to fix this, and reverse this as soon as possible so that the least amount of damage is done to your muscle?

You need to get the infection out as soon as possible. Treating this with straight antibiotics may not quickly kill off the infection as the area will have been sealed off by the body so that the bacteria cannot utilize the vascular system to spread. In that same token, the antibiotics may not be effectively delivered in a fast enough time period to quickly kill off the infection, putting a halt to the infection’s progression.

Aspiration is a necessity and should be done as soon as you have confirmed that it is indeed an infection.

By inserting an needle syringe combo directly into the site in the exact path that your original injection took, and using a large gauge needle – 18 or even larger 16 gauge needle, (make sure to swab really well before hand, and have sterile gauze to cover the site following) insert the needle with the syringe empty, and once you have inserted it an 1/8 inch or so begin to aspirate as you slowly sink the needle in depth. You will know when you hit the abscess, as you will quickly suck up a small quantity of fluid that will resemble bloody, but purulent (yellow tinge to it) puss and some remnants of the injection fluid, whether it was suspension or oil. Expect to aspirate at least as much as you injected and possible ½ mL more, however sometimes you won’t find anything, and it usually is because you either aspirated too early – i.e. you didn’t wait until the third or 4th day, or it isn’t an infection, or you just plain missed the site which really is hard to do.

If you don’t aspirate, you could end up with an ugly hole in your muscle.
Physicians are reluctant to aspirate thinking that they will give the antibiotics a chance to do the trick rather than spending the extra time to pull out the infection. Many times they leave it up to the patient to decide this matter, and will order a course or oral antibiotics.
The problem is, a lot of times the oral antibiotics will not work, and the patient will have to come back for IV therapy, and at this time aspiration may not be an option –but rather surgical debridement– because the abscess has formed a large hole.

What will work, and works best with minimal harm is rapid diagnosis of the problem by the user at home, and rapid treatment. That means drawing out the infection, and going to the emergency department. You can bring the syringe with you to show the contents to the Nurse, and physician. It will certainly get you seen quicker. The doctor at that point will likely prescribe an oral antibiotic called Keflex (cephalaxen) This is a relatively side effect free medication that will work well and quickly if you have drawn out the infection. It will work poorly If you do not get the abscess drained.

[wrestless]

Pretty much assuming this is not normal... not scared or anything, just REALLY annoyed that my ass is on fire after 3 days... Cleaned up, warmed up... where did I go wrong???

I just got back from my doctor yesterday seems I have an infection in my thigh. The pain is incredible could not walk without a severe limp.I also did everything the same way I have been doing for the last 4 cycles. Not sure if my gear is contaminated this is a new vial . Had severe pain from Prop before lasted about 2-3 days then started to subside. This pain was very intense.Anyway if it doesnt get beter in the next day or so see a doctor could turn into an absess. Dont be afraid to tell him the truth its confidential

[Far from massive]

Let me add something, the decision to reveal AAS or any Needle Type drug use to your physician (at least in the US) should not be taken lightly. This is not to say you should not seek medical attention right away but depending on your situation you have several options open to you. You see the problem is that once you seek treatment for something like this it becomes part of you medical file, due to problems both real and percieved with injectable drugs and steroids this may have the same effect on your health insurance as DWI's have on your car insurance. The only problem is health insurance goes back at least 10 years on this type of thing. If you have this on record and loose your health insurance at work you will find an individual policy is either nonexistant or very expensive.

OK so what can you do? Go to a regular doctor or a walk in health care facility and tell them you have no insurance and pay with cash using a fake name, if all goes well and they say you don't have an infection or its a mild one and they can prescribe antibiotics then you are out a couple of hundred dollars tops and all is good to go. If on the other hand they say you need emergency surgery to open the wound and pack it with guaze then you can walk out and go back to your regular doc or hospital and use your insurance to pay it or you can bite the bullet and continue out of pocket ( Your Call) but at least this way you have options and since in at least 95% of cases when you go in right away all they need to do is prescribe antibiotics or in a worse case senario do a needle withdrawel or needle injection of drugs into the site, in either case your insurance and sense of well being is left in tact.

Remeber once you go to your regular doc in your own name this becomes part of your history and believe me anyone who tells you that doctors will treat you the same if you have a history of self injection in your medical records has a brain that is small and most likely shaped like a peanut...

Just my opinion,
FFM

[dec11]

pin size wouldnt have mattered, massaging doesnt make any diff (neva helped me at all) you dont need to shake the bottle, a shower will make sod all difference. its virgin muscle and will hurt a bit, you will get used to it. incidently i did my glute once and once was enough. try delts or quads, much easier and you will have full control and ease of movement. just beware what 'advice' you take on here

[pskyle]

urine idiot

[dec11]

urine idiot

hmmm...... helpful

[kynetguy]

Your pain is most likely from the Prop and Phenyl esters in the test mixture, and maybe the iso ester a little. Sounds like someones concoction of a Sustanon knock off, though sust is a different combination and is only 250mg/ml. There really isn't much you can do for the pain except give your virgin muscle time to get used to it.

My personal experience is I could handle the delts, but glutes and quads left me bearly able to walk. The only thing I found that seemed to help me was heating the oil by letting the bottle sit in hot tap water and then drawing and injecting. Afterwards doing leg day or cardio. Time will lessen the pain you get as your muscle gets used to it.

People will tell you different things that will work and what won't work, but only your body will tell you the correct answer.

I too would not do tren on the first cycle and especially at 20% BF. Tren will give you best results once you get under 15% BF. At least more noticable results. I would also have some AI on hand as well, with 20% BF you will be more likely to have estrogen issues.

[JohnnyClutch]

Yup, sure is my first... 6ft 190lbs 20%bf... bottle says prop, iso, phenyl, nad and deco 60, 80, 80, and 80mg respectively.... On another note, why not Tren on first. Getting my stuff form my trainer, he's the one that suggested the Tren to me... he lead me wrong??
Thanks again.

Smh
being a trainer myself, all I can say is...wow, fire the dude

[cro]

thats why it hurts .its a mixture .not recomended for 1st cycle .good luck though.

Yup, sure is my first... 6ft 190lbs 20%bf... bottle says prop, iso, phenyl, nad and deco 60, 80, 80, and 80mg respectively.... On another note, why not Tren on first. Getting my stuff form my trainer, he's the one that suggested the Tren to me... he lead me wrong??
Thanks again.

[dec11]

thats why it hurts .its a mixture .not recomended for 1st cycle .good luck though.

not true at all

[cro]

ive read the test blends can be more painfull, and test alone is usualy recomended for 1st cycle .were did i go wrong?

not true at all

[dec11]

ive read the test blends can be more painfull, and test alone is usualy recomended for 1st cycle .were did i go wrong?

prop is the sting in the tail, although very minor in sust. ive used susts that dont hurt at all.

[Far from massive]

I agree with the Prop & Phenylprop being the devil in this poorly engineered sustodeath blend, while blends can be painfull as a rule do to high mg/ml content, the high concentration of Prop/Phenylprop in this blend gaurantees it.

I also agree with what Dec11 said on pin size for anyone who thinks a 23 gauge pin is causing next day pain try this simple experiment take a 23 gauge pin bury it in you thigh and wait till the next day now try to find where you put it in, oh.. one hint, write down which leg you used if your memory is bad. By the way what is "urine idiot".... someone who pisses on the floor?

[dec11]

I agree with the Prop & Phenylprop being the devil in this poorly engineered sustodeath blend, while blends can be painfull as a rule do to high mg/ml content, the high concentration of Prop/Phenylprop in this blend gaurantees it.

I also agree with what Dec11 said on pin size for anyone who thinks a 23 gauge pin is causing next day pain try this simple experiment take a 23 gauge pin bury it in you thigh and wait till the next day now try to find where you put it in, oh.. one hint, write down which leg you used if your memory is bad. By the way what is "urine idiot".... someone who pisses on the floor?

hes just on here to flame if going on his other posts is an indication

[dec11]

I agree with the Prop & Phenylprop being the devil in this poorly engineered sustodeath blend, while blends can be painfull as a rule do to high mg/ml content, the high concentration of Prop/Phenylprop in this blend gaurantees it.

I also agree with what Dec11 said on pin size for anyone who thinks a 23 gauge pin is causing next day pain try this simple experiment take a 23 gauge pin bury it in you thigh and wait till the next day now try to find where you put it in, oh.. one hint, write down which leg you used if your memory is bad. By the way what is "urine idiot".... someone who pisses on the floor?

good call, missed that point