Frontloading test based on TheRoidCalc

[Duckhombre]

For 625-750mgs Test Enanthate per week:
day 1: 250mgs
day 2:250 mgs
day 3:250 mgs
day 5:250mg
day 8:250 mgs

The RoidCalc shows near upper baseline levels by day 5 using above protocall.

For 'kickstarting' same cycle with prop:
day 1:250mg test enanthate+ 200mg test prop
day 4: 250mg test enanthate+50mg test prop
Day 7: 250mg test enanthate+50mg test prop
Day 10:250mg test enanthate +25 mg test prop

The RoidCalc shows near upper levels acheived on day 1 using above protocall.

I think frontloading is horse manure because anything you take on day one is going to be added to your natural production. We need to understand better how the HPTA shuts down and use the ester that mirrors it's decline. In theory your free test level will be higher in the first two weeks because of because Nat test is flowing, and SHBG levels will be low.

So I'm using the first protocall and adding d-bol for sport

Thanks to the creator of this tool, whoever thow art.
I have now idea what kind of math he used to create the thing, and NO ONE should follow my advice, EVER. Superdosing like stated above can cause death!
When trying new medications a minuscule quantity should initially be taken to check for allergic reactions. Epinephrine should be present!

[Bonaparte]

Natural production will cease completely in a few weeks, not that it really needs to be accounted for in the first place, since it is a drop in the bucket compared to what most will be injecting (70mg vs 700mg). By the time the test starts really working, you'll already be long-shutdown.

[Slayer of Souls]

How are you scheduling the rest of the pins using the above protocol.

[Duckhombre]

You have to consider daily free test measurements, that what this is all about. In the second protocall, test levels are equivalent to injecting 90mg of test suspension/tne on the first day. You must also consider that as elevated test levels are maintained, SHBG is going to be released at increasing rates, not to mention increasing aromatization, both of which will lower free test levels as you move into subsequent weeks. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "test starts really working," but it brings up an interesting point. How can we define this? Test works in so many ways, over so many tissues, cells, even organelles. Even if you inject tne, it takes time to show all it's face, I think the effects of amplification take longer than we presuppose. Meaning, when T enters a cell, T stimulates all that mRNA, it takes a while for the mRNA to produce proteins, and those proteins to express themselves, and ribosome production may ultimately be a delayed response.... Just a thought, like I said, I'm running the frontload protocall, because vivo demonstrates effectiveness.

[Duckhombre]

Pin schedualing does not seem to matter that much after the frontload. I personally am dosing every third day after the frontload for a toatal of 583.33mg/week, but if say you are taking 625mg, and you only want to dose twice a week, say tuesday and saturday for simplicity, you are going to have two days in between one dose and three between the other?
You should wait three days after frontloading and start your cycle then, and continue as normal.

[Far from massive]

I don't know if I am misunderstanding the example given and I certainly do no proclaim a great deal of knowlege...but how the hell can you front load a cycle of TestE in 3-10 days its my understanding that the levels of test will continue to rise over weeks with a long ester so while you might be able to achieve high levels of test in 5-8 days by adding a large ED or EOD dose of prop or high first 3 day doses of E certainly you can not just stop at that point and think that you have finished front loading the cycle?

[vettewreck]

Personally I think that calculator is splitting hairs. No one is ever going to know the difference between frontloading 750mg over the course of 10 days with near ED shots, compaired to something like Mond,Wed,Fri shots over 14 days. None of us "casual" users will ever notice the difference plus, with the long ester the difference would be minimul if any at all.

Me personally, Ive frontloaded with 3,000mg of test-e in 7 days. And again, personally, I love frontloading and it works for me. Some dont like it though.

[Far from massive]

Yeah now something like that makes a lot more sense. If you add 3 grams of E in a week then you would achieve sustained test levels for weeks afterward but .5 to .75 gms extra I just can't see much change in weeks 3 & 4.

Vettewreck,

Do you use AI,s when you frontload like that? I am curious since I have not done any long esters yet but I have used fairly large doses 120-130mg per day of prop and although I have not seen gyno (thank God) just slightly tender nipples when on over 80mg per day so I use an AI. The wierd thing is I do seem to feel more positive effects (just feel like I am getting a better pump and more gains) when running .5 to .75ml of L-dex per day this makes me wonder if I am aromitizing a fair amount of the test and by using an AI its allowing a more anabolic environment by reducing estrogen? So I am curious if others who may aromitize test less and don't usually use an AI on cycle may see benefits from an AI while front loading?

[vettewreck]

I dont use any AI at all. Ive had gyno surgery and all (if not most) of my glands were removed so I really dont have any tender nipples with high test doses. Now before my surgery, I would get hard lumps that hurt like hell when using anything over 750mg/wk. Not anymore though. So for your question, its hard to say.

[Duckhombre]

I think many of the negative psychological effects and acne come from declining androgens. The 1,2, or three gram frontload leads to this, and gives the flu reaction every time. An I don't much care for that initial 5ml shot I used to take. Everyday injects are for only three days, then eod, then e3d. This article not intended for advanced users as much as people who are looking for a good place to start, especially with as popular as the prop kick start is getting, which is more complex, and deserves a more advanced approach, but certainly not so complicated as it is beyond the grasp of an intermediate user.

I do not think this the RoidCal is very accurate, but it serves as rough estimate that is a step closer than many speculations.

[Duckhombre]

I like to let estrogen build up at the begining of a cycle, and not worry about it till at least week 5 unless problems occur. Only Nolv before week 5. Use minimal a-dex!
Vettewreck, how would you compare cyclying and repressing esterogen to cycling and letting it go wild. If I could just get away with strong andros like Drost/proviron/winny/tren to clean up bloat, I would be so happy. I'm only sensitive to prolactin/progesterone/estro combo gyno and test over 1.25 gram. I feel like I grew allot more off 750mg this past fall than I have in the past, and I didn't take anything with it, but it was first cycle in two years. How much did the surgury cost? How far did it set you back? I was in wheel chair there for a while, and can't imagine being back in the hospital again, but if it would be worth it....

[layeazy]

yeah im quite interested in the surgery how long it take to repair what were the set backs? Running prop and test e im sure that prop being low estergenic that i would help combat the estergen because it doesn't aromatiese so easily. That would be safest wouldn't it running prop and to be front loading that much test e

[vettewreck]

Again hard to say, bc I havent used anything besides Test-e, Anadrol and Dbol since my surgery. I had my surgery 3 years ago. Before my surgery I would get super hurting nipples over 750mg/wk test but now and with double that does I have no issues. I havent ran tren or deca in the past 3 years tho and i suspect I wouldnt have any issues there either bc never had an issue on Anadrol. Back then, I was taking this to combat that side, and that to combat this side and so on. Now, after surgery, just a boat load of test and nothing else. This spring I will be running Test-e, Eq, tren and masteron tho. My surgery cost $6,800. I was back home in 8 hours. Was out of the weight room for maybe a few weeks, nothing major. Just very sore. Well worth it. I do have to go back in and have some fatty spots he missed redone though, but that was bc I had such bad gyno to begin with. All i have to pay for is the $750 anasthesia.

[songdog]

Good deal on the Gyno