First Cutting Cycle

**bigbear411** · 01-06-2011, 06:53 PM

Hey Guys had a couple questions for my first cutting cycle. This will be my first time with gear. I am 5'11 26 years old almost 27 down to 215 and in the high teen bf% I have had a strict diet around 2200 calories a day with a 45/45/10 and have lost about 25 lb over the past 2 months now. I work out for 60-75 in the am usually only cardio and do another 60 mins of weights and cardo at night. I want to keep my strength but continue losing body fat.

My friend who has done several cycles swears by tren , but a lot of people say do not do it on the first cycle and Winni I think would be better when i get to a lower bf% plus I already have some discomfort in the joints. i was thinking a lose dose of anvar with some test, what do you guys think?

**MBMETC** · 01-06-2011, 06:57 PM

Congradulations on your progress thus far, I think holding off on the aas for now and focusing on diet and training, build a solid base. Keep in mind the lower your bf the lower the risks of estrogen related sides.
How long have you been training?

**bigbear411** · 01-06-2011, 07:03 PM

Training off and on, due to injuries, for at least 8 years now but I have done all the rehab and think I am ready to train hard again. Already doing a ton of Cardio.

**MBMETC** · 01-06-2011, 07:06 PM

You really want to be sure connective tissue and tendons are strong enough to endure the rigorous work outs on cycle, the last thing you need is an injury.

**bigbear411** · 01-06-2011, 07:46 PM

Will/would any of the steroids that are good for cutting be beneficial to the connective tissue or tendons?

**Far from massive** · 01-06-2011, 08:22 PM

I am not sure how it affects you youngsters LOL but my friend and I 52 and 55 both saw improvements in joint pain on plain test ( we used Prop). Its also my feeling that as long as caloric intake is kept at a maintenence level if you do plenty of cardio (as you are) and don't jack your wieghts (pounds on the bar) way the hell up while on cycle you will not only continue to loose wieght while on cycle but you will loose it at an accelerated pace and help your injuries heal due to the increase in metabolism and cellular repair. Let me be clear, you may not loose pounds of wieght, but you will accelerate the amount of fat lost and muscle gained hence your body fat will go down, I assume that would meet your goals.

Deca is very good at lubing joints as well as many kinds of repair but it is also a very harsh compound and tends to build bulk pretty easily, for these reasons If I was to try steroids at this point I would just go with a low dose of straight test. I also agree with MBMETC that you can continue to loose wieght without AAS at this point.

FFM

**bigbear411** · 01-06-2011, 08:33 PM

Thanks for the input, at what BF% would you guys think it is a good idea to start? and would you just test on its own or stack it? As far as the weights I have learned its better to look like you bench 400lb than to actual do it, been there twice and both times I injured my should after.

**BrettVarvre** · 01-06-2011, 09:29 PM

I just started an anavar only cycle on monday, it is my first experience. I am tracking my bf%, started at 13.6. ill be updating progress and observations in the cycles section. could be of interest to you.

**bigbear411** · 01-06-2011, 11:22 PM

I will definitely check it out Brett thank for the update and good luck!

**bigbear411** · 01-07-2011, 02:04 AM

As far as doing gear, once I am ready, I want to get the research out of the way. To me Tren sounds great but I should hold off a while until I see how my body reacts. For my first cycle I am thinking :
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Should I use clomid or novadex ? Also read that I should use it throughout the cycle and maybe start them a week or 2 before any comments?
For Body fat I want to get below 15% before I start, i just read about doing the cardio in the AM and not eating anything before so I am going to try and do that to help lean out. Let me know if this cycle looks good for the first one and what would you add to it/

**cro** · 01-07-2011, 05:28 AM

been debating a var only myself.

Originally Posted by BrettVarvre

I just started an anavar only cycle on monday, it is my first experience. I am tracking my bf%, started at 13.6. ill be updating progress and observations in the cycles section. could be of interest to you.

**MBMETC** · 01-07-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by bigbear411

As far as doing gear, once I am ready, I want to get the research out of the way. To me Tren sounds great but I should hold off a while until I see how my body reacts. For my first cycle I am thinking :
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11
Should I use clomid or novadex ? Also read that I should use it throughout the cycle and maybe start them a week or 2 before any comments?
For Body fat I want to get below 15% before I start, i just read about doing the cardio in the AM and not eating anything before so I am going to try and do that to help lean out. Let me know if this cycle looks good for the first one and what would you add to it/

get to 15% or lower om the bf, leave the tren alone for a long while its potent shit.
look at a 12 week test e only cycle, with prop there is alot of pinning which can break some guys.
leave the clomid and nolvadex for pct. get an ai from AR-R the banner at the top of the page.
good call on the cardio in the am and train with the weights in the evening, visit the diet section and post a sample food day of yours to get some critique on your diet.

**bigbear411** · 01-24-2011, 07:02 PM

I picked up some letro from ar and was wondering what dosage should I take when I decide to go on a cycle? It look like a full syringe is 2.5 I read .5 EOD should be good?