Please Critque, first cycle plan, g2g?

[Lynx331]

First off.. could have never designed this without all your guys' help on this board and all the great threads, so thanks for that.

Potential First Cycle.. Please critque
Stats
23
6'2"
178lbs
14%bf
Training exp 6years
Cycle exp- 1st
Goal- Put on as much lean muscle as possible, and maintain naturally after this cycle, dont plan on cycling again, atleast not for a long time.

Blood tests, before during and after?? 179$ a pop is expensive haha

12 week cycle from my research this seems like the best choice.
Andropen 275mg 2x a week
(Test Acetate 20mg
Test Decanoate 90mg
Test Propionate 45mg
Test Phenylpropionate 45mg
Test Cypionate 75mg)

HCG 250iu 2x a week, starting week 3
(Injection weekly schedule)
Sun-Test Mon-off Tue-HCG Wed-off Thur-Test Fri-off Sat HCG
Ldex .25 mg EOD

PCT-
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Vit C 1g morning 2g PWO

what do you guys think? please feel free to point out any foul ups! I appreciate your time thank you! Not going to lie.. im very excited and very nervous about this..

[Matt]

First off.. could have never designed this without all your guys' help on this board and all the great threads, so thanks for that.

Potential First Cycle.. Please critque
Stats
23
6'2"
178lbs
14%bf
Training exp 6years
Cycle exp- 1st
Goal- Put on as much lean muscle as possible, and maintain naturally after this cycle, dont plan on cycling again, atleast not for a long time.
Blood tests, before during and after?? 179$ a pop is expensive haha

12 week cycle from my research this seems like the best choice.
Andropen 275mg 2x a week
(Test Acetate 20mg
Test Decanoate 90mg
Test Propionate 45mg
Test Phenylpropionate 45mg
Test Cypionate 75mg)

HCG 250iu 2x a week, starting week 3
(Injection weekly schedule)
Sun-Test Mon-off Tue-HCG Wed-off Thur-Test Fri-off Sat HCG
Ldex .25 mg EOD

PCT-
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Vit C 1g morning 2g PWO

what do you guys think? please feel free to point out any foul ups! I appreciate your time thank you! Not going to lie.. im very excited and very nervous about this..

That goal will never happen unless you seriously sort your diet out..

You need to visit the diet forum and [post your current diet....

[Lynx331]

My diet is pretty much sorted out IMO, the reason for weight loss lately and fat gain has been due to my raging appetite and my loss of dedication to my diet which led me to mcdonalds pretty often :-\. Not very proud of that aspect.

[mg0922]

I suggest before you start this cycle you, get SERIOUS about your diet! Or else your not going to gave good gains and when you end the cycle you will lose it bro. Listen, a good diet is not something we just decide to have when you start a cycle or just for a little bit. I consistant solid diet is a LIFESTYLE. You must be disciplined or else the end results will not be to your liking.

I recommend you go over to the diet section and educate yourself! Figure out a proper diet for yourself and use it! You ll be surprised how much lean muscle you can gain without steroids.

Good luck.

Mg

[eGGz]

The cycle and PCT looks solid to me.
Congratulations on actually doing some research. This seems to be alarmingly rare around here.
proper Diet, proper Training and proper Rest will contribute more to your goals than aas.

[Lynx331]

thank you all for you responses, per your suggestions i have recently posted my diet up in the diet forum to see how it looks. Come to think of it its actually been a very long time since my plan was checked by someone. But as far as the cycle, should i decide to pull the trigger, looks good?

[chuckt12345]

looks good,, you could do without the HCG

[Lynx331]

looks good,, you could do without the HCG

wait what??? I thought HCG was a vital part of keeping the testes primed for restoring natural test production asap.

[chuckt12345]

dont need it IMO,, not saying you cant (especially if you already have it)
first test cycle i wouldnt use it.

[Lynx331]

dont need it IMO,, not saying you cant (especially if you already have it)
first test cycle i wouldnt use it.

No I haven't bought it yet, it was going to be the most difficult thing to get. I'm very curious as to why you recommend not using it? Without it... Won't my natural test rebound be significantly slower than with it??

[chuckt12345]

23 years old first cycle with proper pct,, you should have no prbs. the more compounds you stick in the body the more prbs that can arise. Keep it simple

[Lynx331]

23 years old first cycle with proper pct,, you should have no prbs. the more compounds you stick in the body the more prbs that can arise. Keep it simple

So your saying cut the HCG, and run just the pct that i already have planned? And it should be good to go? Sorry if im asking too many questions, it just caught me off guard that your saying not to use it.

[oldschoolfitness]

with that dose i would say keep the pct type drugs on hand just in case and same them for when you need them. and if you are eating, training, and resting enough you will reach your goals no problem bro. nothing wrong with the layout you have good choice for 1st time simple and effective. good luck glad to see some guys realize they don't need a magic stack of super drugs to get big. now go bust it!!

[mg0922]

I say run the HCG!! Its not just another compound he's addiing here, it is a vital part to a cycle. Make sure you have an AI ON HAND AT ALL TIMES. This will ensure your testes return to there normal state which in turn gets your natural test up and running again. I'd say go with it man. That's just my opinion.

Good luck.

Hey what's the link to your diet??

[Lynx331]

the link to my diet is here, http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e-Any-opinions
Now im really confused about the hcg, sure id love to remove two shots a week lol, but i just want whats best for my body.

[mg0922]

First of all ,you dont need to run HCG your whole cycle. If your confused about it ,do some research! And then decide for yourself. I myself think that if you want to maximize gains, then you should do everything you can to achieve that! Yes it does raise estrogen levels ,but thats only if you wait till the very end of your cycle and you have to take too much.

I see your doing a 12 wk cycle. Plus you have two weeks after until your pct. I'd say start running it at week 8 which gives you 6wks six on it. Im figuring you take it until 2wks after your last pin of the gear. At 250ius 2x a week. Once you start your pct, stop taking the HCG.

Im trying to find this GREAT thread on HCG ,but i just cant find it. Im gonna keep looking for it.

[mg0922]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

here you go!! Read as much of this thread as you can. Not just the scientific part of it, which is important, but read others testimonies about HCG. This made up my mind for me!!

good luck!

[Lynx331]

First of all ,you dont need to run HCG your whole cycle. If your confused about it ,do some research! And then decide for yourself. I myself think that if you want to maximize gains, then you should do everything you can to achieve that! Yes it does raise estrogen levels ,but thats only if you wait till the very end of your cycle and you have to take too much.

I see your doing a 12 wk cycle. Plus you have two weeks after until your pct. I'd say start running it at week 8 which gives you 6wks six on it. Im figuring you take it until 2wks after your last pin of the gear. At 250ius 2x a week. Once you start your pct, stop taking the HCG.

Im trying to find this GREAT thread on HCG ,but i just cant find it. Im gonna keep looking for it.

Only reason im confused is ive researched the crap out of that stuff, and read all over how it is vital to a cycle, and how to run it throughout a cycle because its much easier to keep the testes normal size, than to try and bring them back after they have atrophied. Now im hearing to not do it, and to not do it throughout my cycle, not saying both of you guys are wrong, its just not what i expected to hear so it caught me off guard. Even in that thread you posted up the OP advocates HCG throughout the cycle....

[mg0922]

Yea, we justboth make vitals points that's all. Don't make a huge deal about it man. Just do what u think is best.

Good luck

Mg

[mg0922]

The problem with running it through your whole cycle is the fact that hcg loses its effectiveness after like 5 wks. So once you open it and mix it with the bac water you only have so much time you can keep it refrigerated before it loses its effectiveness. And from what I've read it's not that hard to bring them back if you do it the last 5-6 weeks of cycle.