first time running two cycles in one year

[Bleeze]

I have done a heavy cycle every may for last 4 years. aprox 14 weeks each.
I have always gained 20pounds give or take. Loosing less than half each off season. ( so gaining a solid 10 pounds per cycle after the loss. I just ran for the first time another cycle after the appropiate amount of time from the summer cycle. ( time on= time off) I was a few weeks early than time on time off. BUt I had test levels checked before 2nd cycle. and they were good.

THe problem is I really didnt gain any weight . I may have gained 10 pounds and and droped 5 of it in middle of the cycle. Let me explain what the last two cycles were before I go on.

Summer cycle was 150mg prop eod, 150 mg tren eod. 13-14 weeks of that. I did decca 300mg for 8 weeks. ( I know its not long enough for decca, but i kinda threw it in there last sec) 50 mg dbol ed 3.5 weeks. and 70 mg anavar weeks 4-12.
went from aprox 185, to 205. going down to 196 afte cycle.

The recent cycle was 150 mg prop eod 150mg tren eod for 11 weekEq 500 a week and tierd it down over the weeks to 200mg a week. This was weeks 1-10. 50mg dbol eod weeks 1-3.5 and 50 mg winny for remainder.

This cycle it semed like I gained 10 lbs in first 4 weeks.and soon as I got off the dbol and got on the win, I lost 5 pounds quick. so was down to 200.
Im in pct now 2 weeks in. and am about 198.

The varriables in this is 1. most of the second cycle was a brand I never used before. Im not sure if I can mention brands, but its a major brand who wa recently busted and shut down. ( Has there been any reports of the recent and last batches beaing beat. THe brand im mentiong was the tren and the eq. the prop, dbol and win, were of a diff brand that I have used before. I feal like the dbol was the only ting that put weight on me.

Or is it common not to have the samehuge gains when cycleing twice in a year? I did get bigger and stronger. But nothing like the previuose cycle.

Sorry for the long question, but really would like to know what went on, so Ican fix for the next time.

[eGGz]

I have done a heavy cycle every may for last 4 years. aprox 14 weeks each.
I have always gained 20pounds give or take. Loosing less than half each off season. ( so gaining a solid 10 pounds per cycle after the loss. I just ran for the first time another cycle after the appropiate amount of time from the summer cycle. ( time on= time off) I was a few weeks early than time on time off. BUt I had test levels checked before 2nd cycle. and they were good.

THe problem is I really didnt gain any weight . I may have gained 10 pounds and and droped 5 of it in middle of the cycle. Let me explain what the last two cycles were before I go on.

Summer cycle was 150mg prop eod, 150 mg tren eod. 13-14 weeks of that. I did decca 300mg for 8 weeks. ( I know its not long enough for decca, but i kinda threw it in there last sec) 50 mg dbol ed 3.5 weeks. and 70 mg anavar weeks 4-12.
went from aprox 185, to 205. going down to 196 afte cycle.

The recent cycle was 150 mg prop eod 150mg tren eod for 11 weekEq 500 a week and tierd it down over the weeks to 200mg a week. This was weeks 1-10. 50mg dbol eod weeks 1-3.5 and 50 mg winny for remainder.

This cycle it semed like I gained 10 lbs in first 4 weeks.and soon as I got off the dbol and got on the win, I lost 5 pounds quick. so was down to 200.
Im in pct now 2 weeks in. and am about 198.

The varriables in this is 1. most of the second cycle was a brand I never used before. Im not sure if I can mention brands, but its a major brand who wa recently busted and shut down. ( Has there been any reports of the recent and last batches beaing beat. THe brand im mentiong was the tren and the eq. the prop, dbol and win, were of a diff brand that I have used before. I feal like the dbol was the only ting that put weight on me.

Or is it common not to have the samehuge gains when cycleing twice in a year? I did get bigger and stronger. But nothing like the previuose cycle.

Sorry for the long question, but really would like to know what went on, so Ican fix for the next time.

Well other than the obvious weird stuff you did each cycle that you outlined. (bold)
One simply cannot expect to gain 20lbs each cycle for ever.
It becomes increasingly difficult to gain each successive cycle.
Based on your post, and your current body weight,things you can do to combat this are:
Find a reliable source you can trust.
Learn to stuff yourself with good clean food.
Experiment with different training regimens. (5x5, DC, FST 7, etc.) something proven to pack on mass.
Increase the dosages. (more gear equals more size if diet, training, rest etc. are in order)
Here is an example of a simple classic "mass stack" that I have used in the past.
wks 1-4 50-100mg ed anadrol.
wks 1-14 750-1000mg testosterone enanthate.
wks 1-13 500-600mg nandrolne decanoate
Of course you would adjust the dosages to suit your needs, the above is just an example. As previously mentioned if the rest of the puzzle pieces are in order you should gain some serious mass with a similar cycle.
I don't advocate tapering dosages, or multiple orals in a single cycle. Just keep it simple, train hard, eat harder, and you will grow.

[Bleeze]

Whats your opion on short esters and longer esters? I choose the tren a and prop for faster results, less water from the test, ect.. at a 1.5cc of prop and 1.5cc of tren, my needle is full, thats eod. So unless I want to shoot ED Icant really go with more. Im not just looking for bulking, I just used the wieght gain to messure my gains. This summer I wanted to do somthing leaning towrds leaning cycle.

[Far from massive]

I hate pinning short esters EOD but I guess every one is different. Although I would think that using slightly less than time off on that long a cycle with tren and deca both you probably were not fully recovered so that may have been a factor, I agree with your thoughts on the source probably being the main culprit, Tren is a very expensive powder that is very effective ( to someone unfamiliar with it) even underdosed so it give UGLs a great incentive to underdose when bottling it up, particularly one who trying to underbid all the other UGL's on price.

One interesting thing that Swifto posted the other day was hitting a plateu ( I think in his case it was around wk 6-7 ) while running short esters and since they clear so quick just taking a week off to allow the body to re-adjust. I just finished a prop cycle myself and noticed that at week 5 I hit a spot where my gains basically slowed to nothing, if it happens again I think I will try jumping ship for a week or 10 days myself and see what happens.

Good luck next time around,

FFM

[eGGz]

Yep, most wish to cut down in the summer. Nothing wrong with that. Short esters are good for this type of goal.
IMO to gain considerable size one must let go of the staying ripped year round idea. Obviously you don't want to let it get too out of hand.
But for pure muscle gains the calories must be present.

[Bleeze]

I Deff ate enoguh. AM I allowed to say a brand of gear? wanted to know if other have reported there recent gear to be beat. well as far as a may cycle. I was thinking of doing this for next cycle. tell me what u think

doesages by the week: 500mg test enth, 150 test prop, 200 tren E, 400 masteron(acetate and enth mix) 100 tren A.

Those dosages will come out to be 3cc shot EOD. The idea of mixxing the enths wit hteh props and Acetates, is to get more mgs per cc. does this make sesne? Also I choose to mix the prop and enth insted of doing sust, bc Idont want the long acting esters that sust have.

[Bleeze]

correction, not 200 tren E, aprox 450mgs

[ScotchGuard02]

I liked my Test Prop cycle. Yeah, pinning every other day was a drag but the cycle was good. Test E is a long ester like Test C. It'll take Test E 4 to 5 weeks to "kick in". I like short ester cycles like Test Prop + Anavar for 8 weeks. At the end of 12 weeks I'm done with PCT rather than starting PCT. I'm also on 5iu/ed of HGH year around. The HGH helps me stay lean even though my diet's not perfect.