Question on compound name and cycle.

[Burnett]

First of all let me begin by saying I am of age, as well as physical and mental maturity to take an AAS or PH. I also have my workout and diet in check, as well as proper PCT and liver support. I have never done any AAS or PH before, but consider pretty knowledgeable about the subject. Any advice/help is appreciated.

Anyways, I asked my friend to pick me up a bottle of what is called Massivol from the DFW around Christmas. Massivol was an SD clone, same exact compound. His bottle contained 90 capsules at 10mg SD/capsule. I got the bottle tonight and the formula has been changed. The current compounds, as EXACTLY listed on the bottle are as follows:

4- Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol 25mg

2a 17a dimethyl etiocholan 3 one 17b-ol 15mg

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not just Halodrol and Pheraplex? I don't know a whole lot about either of these, nor how they will stack together. I have heard that PP is more anabolic than SD, as well as it is not. As for Halodrol, just heard it gives modest gains and is about the same as the toxicity scale as other Orals. I haven't decided if Im going to run this or not, at least not until I know more about the compounds. I have everything I need on hand if I decide to do so, and my cycle would look like this

Weeks 1, 1 pill Pre-workout daily.
Weeks 2-4, 1 pill A.M., 1 pill pre workout. (I train in the afternoon)

My liver support is MRM Liver-X (contains NAC, ALA, and Silymarin)

My PCT is "Perfect PCT" from Apollo Anabolics, same manufacturer as Massivol. I also have Nolva on hand if I feel I need it, but wasnt planning on taking it. I'd also be taking a good training multi, and about 100g protein daily. Ive also heard its beneficial to take about 15g creatine daily as well.

Anyways, my main question was about the compounds in the pill, so any help with that and any comments on anything else are welcome.

Cheers,
Burnett.

[Burnett]

Any help?

[marcus300]

What are your stats?
how long have you been training for?
what is your diet like?

[Burnett]

What are your stats?
how long have you been training for?
what is your diet like?

6'3" ~200 lbs. Right around 10% BF (Estimation, not measured with calipers)

4 years training.

Diet is mainly clean. Most meals are prepared at home, fast food maybe once or twice a month.

[marcus300]

how old are you>

[RaZr]

Thats a lot of creatine, I'd read up here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...4-Creatine-FAQ

[Burnett]

how old are you>

24, about to turn 25. I am an ex D1 college track athlete, so it is hard for my body type to gain mass. Definition comes easy, mass is difficult.

[jeallybean78]

I'm new to the board but not the sport. It sound's like your protein intake is way low and could be the main reason you can't pack on any mass. Check out the diet section there's a wealth of knowledge on there. 100 grams of protein will only work if you weigh about 75 lbs and i seriously doubt that. Hope this helps

[Burnett]

I'm new to the board but not the sport. It sound's like your protein intake is way low and could be the main reason you can't pack on any mass. Check out the diet section there's a wealth of knowledge on there. 100 grams of protein will only work if you weigh about 75 lbs and i seriously doubt that. Hope this helps

I probably should have worded that differently. I meant 100g of protein supplement. Im on a high protein diet as is.

[Bonaparte]

It's still just Halodrol and Superdrol. Note the "dimethyl" part of the name. Of all the designer steroids, SD is the only one with 2 methyl groups (3 and 17 position)

[Burnett]

Thanks all for the help. Now that the compounds have been cleared up. Would it be safe to take this considering it is two methylated compounds? I would take two pills daily which would equate to 30 mg SD and 50mg Halodrol.

[Bonaparte]

Thanks all for the help. Now that the compounds have been cleared up. Would it be safe to take this considering it is two methylated compounds? I would take two pills daily which would equate to 30 mg SD and 50mg Halodrol.

IMO, even SD by itself isn't safe.

[RaZr]

30 mg of SD is already harsh on your body, the original I believe wasn't meant to be dosed above 20mg and even though Halodrol is lighter in comparison it just seems like a cocktail to really mess you up.

[number twelve]

I ran a supp a while back that stacked sd, pp, and hd in it. it worked, had outstanding strength gains. sides were very intense though, headaches, acne, lethargy. The best way to describe PH's/designer steroids are that they will work, and work well, but you will feel crappy for the most part while taking them. regular steroids on the other hand, not only enhance your muscle gains, but you also feel good when on them

[RaZr]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...and-Phera-Plex Id read that too and follow those support supps