cutting/tren acetate?

[smalltime7]

stats:

37 y/o
195/200 lbs
15% bf

I am on trt and currently blasting at 800 test and 600 deca my next round I want to cut with T3/clen /test and I am thinking about one more compound I was thinking tren . I have heard most use 75/100 mg a day ? and how soon does it kick in?

[psa]

The acetate ester kicks in very quickly, you'll start having gorilla strength between week 2 or 3. I'd start with 50mg/ED injections and pyramid up until you find your sweet spot. Your first tren cycle is never going to go as planned, be ready to play around with values as you go. A little bit of tren will take you a long way. How much test do you plan to run?

[smalltime7]

well I was going to atleast 800 but doing some research shows to keep the test lower than the tren . whats your thoughts on this?

[psa]

That would be considered a lot for a first time user and based on your stats, i'd say you don't need to run that much. Keeping your test lower than your tren will greatly reduce side effects, as will doing ED injections. 1:2 or 1:3 are popular ratios to start out with and just adjust from there.

[smalltime7]

so maybe ill start at 350 a week tren and say 200 test and work from there my biggest concern would be keeping lbm with the T3. cycle wise I have done many cycles over the years and would probably have more size except I cut a couple years ago to fight. not to mention genetically at 5'6" i really would be a 160 lb guy

[psa]

That sounds like a good starting point. Remember that Tren has 500/500 Androgenic /anabolic ratio vs. test that has a 100/100, so its much more powerful. The purpose behind running the test in this type of cycle is not to necessarily make gains off of it, but to maintain libido and sexual function and watch your physique transform from the tren. I haven't used T3 so I cant really comment on that...

[smalltime7]

thanks for the help. my research with T3 is its great but it will eat muscle as well as fat if your LBM is not supported with a compound and plenty of protein. I hope to meet my goal in an 8 week cycle I guess we will see.

[Duckhombre]

What research told you to keep your test lower than your tren ? Tren is very similar to Deca , there are some that can get away with running them higher than test, but they are not the majority. The sides that drive people crazy are the adrogenic ones, so when you lower test, you lower overall androgens, and of coarse side. You will still be exposed the progesterone/prolactin sides, which may or may not be a be problem. Just like some don't get estro sides, some don't p/p sides, but again not the majority.

100mgs/day is way, way, way too much. I've run lots of cycles up too 1500mgs, and I'm only running 75mg every three days with great results. Lets review:
700mgs/week is bad
I'm on 175mgs a week and growing well with 585mg/test-going on 12lbs in 15 days so far with some d-bol the first twelve.
The author of Anabolics 2009 recomends a start dose of 150mg, just as reference point.
Good tren, and you don't need much, by week two you see noticeable strength gains, even earlier with prop.

T3 and tren are excellent mates! You will save, even gain, LBM on tren and moderate doses of t3.

[smalltime7]

What research told you to keep your test lower than your tren ? Tren is very similar to Deca , there are some that can get away with running them higher than test, but they are not the majority. The sides that drive people crazy are the adrogenic ones, so when you lower test, you lower overall androgens, and of coarse side. You will still be exposed the progesterone/prolactin sides, which may or may not be a be problem. Just like some don't get estro sides, some don't p/p sides, but again not the majority.

100mgs/day is way, way, way too much. I've run lots of cycles up too 1500mgs, and I'm only running 75mg every three days with great results. Lets review:
700mgs/week is bad
I'm on 175mgs a week and growing well with 585mg/test-going on 12lbs in 15 days so far with some d-bol the first twelve.
The author of Anabolics 2009 recomends a start dose of 150mg, just as reference point.
Good tren, and you don't need much, by week two you see noticeable strength gains, even earlier with prop.

T3 and tren are excellent mates! You will save, even gain, LBM on tren and moderate doses of t3.

I really appreciate the info. I like 75mg every three days I am NOT a more is better kinda person so I will try the 75 every third whats the half life?

[dec11]

OP 350mg pw is perfect dosing for a 1st tren run. ive done 50mg ed and 100eod and theres absolutely no diff. stick with 100mg eod, less pinning. as long as youve got base and above synthetic test in your system your fine.

tren really ate b/f off me, its an amazing compound, you can get off with really lowering your carbs and still have energy and strength in abundance.

i def would not be doing 75mg e3d to get full benefit and i dont think too many would advise this, your asking for sides due to levels rollercoasting

[Duckhombre]

I didn't know tren is assumed to be in the acetate ester. I'm running the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, and I think few will argue my E3D protocol.
I was more getting to point of overall totalls, your injection protocol should match the ester you are running.
I think the info on the esters is commonly available.

350mg is too much fro a starting dose, unless you weigh 350lbs. 1mg/lb start, working up to 2mg/lb for your first run. Overdo it it'll ruin tren for you. There is reason people swear it off.

If you feel real good about it, try 75mg EOD, you can always work up easily, especially with a short ester.

[dec11]

I didn't know tren is assumed to be in the acetate ester. I'm running the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, and I think few will argue my E3D protocol.
I was more getting to point of overall totalls, your injection protocol should match the ester you are running.
I think the info on the esters is commonly available.

350mg is too much fro a starting dose, unless you weigh 350lbs. 1mg/lb start, working up to 2mg/lb for your first run. Overdo it it'll ruin tren for you. There is reason people swear it off.

try reading the post first then

350mg for 350lb is absolute garbage, you do post some total crap. if you dont know, dont post.

OP, 350mg pw is fine, i did it 1st run and had no sides at all.

jus t wait to see how many ppl advocate less than 350mg, wont be many, if at all.

[psa]

What research told you to keep your test lower than your tren? Tren is very similar to Deca...

Interesting...

[psa]

I really appreciate the info. I like 75mg every three days I am NOT a more is better kinda person so I will try the 75 every third whats the half life?

OP, x2 with that Dec11 said. Stick to was previously stated. Pinning TrenA ED vs EOD will make a night and day difference, but pinning it E3D??? Good luck to you sir... In addition to all this, do have caber on had for prolactin build up.

[dec11]

Interesting...

ya, mr duckie does have some weird 'advice'

[smalltime7]

OP, x2 with that Dec11 said. Stick to was previously stated. Pinning TrenA ED vs EOD will make a night and day difference, but pinning it E3D??? Good luck to you sir... In addition to all this, do have caber on had for prolactin build up.

ok so the vote seems to be tren 100 EOD.......... simple enough.

so whats the opinion of the test dosage? assuming I currently doing 800/week test C??

and is 8 weeks long enough on tren?

[smalltime7]

bumparoony

[dec11]

ok so the vote seems to be tren 100 EOD.......... simple enough.

so whats the opinion of the test dosage? assuming I currently doing 800/week test C??

and is 8 weeks long enough on tren?

it is on tren a. the test is up 2 you mate, i personally wont evr raise mine above 250mgs again. how are your sides on test?

[smalltime7]

right now doing 800 test 600 deca taking no ameridex with zero sides i very seldom get any sides.

[dec11]

right now doing 800 test 600 deca taking no ameridex with zero sides i very seldom get any sides.

again, its up 2 you then. its personal preference, i dont like the 'stuffed like a bloated pig' feel on 750mg + test so therefore will run tren etc on top of a low dose test, plus i get sore nips at 400mg+ test and have to turn to ancilliaries. i dont want to be taking adex for the test and caber/prami for the tren, just dont like the thought of the chemical cocktail.
well thts my reasoning anyhow

[smalltime7]

thanks bro. my map looks like this

100 EOD tren
T3- dosage to be determined
Clen - dosage to be determined
250 test C

all wrapped up in a ketosis diet for 8 weeks
I will also start gathering the needed ancilliaries for the worst case scenario.

[dec11]

thanks bro. my map looks like this

100 EOD tren
T3- dosage to be determined
Clen - dosage to be determined
250 test C

all wrapped up in a ketosis diet for 8 weeks
I will also start gathering the needed ancilliaries for the worst case scenario.

looks good, you can get away with a little amount of carbs with tren, the stuff is magic for utilising nutrients how you want them to be used. i was pretty much following a bulker when i used it and still got cut up on it

[smalltime7]

the T3 dosages seem to vary between 25 mcg and a 100 mcg per day I think I will start at 50 mcg and work from there.

[syd-bloke]

T3 and Clen together is overkill. Do more research on T3 and do it proper. If you dont know the dose, you shouldnt take it. You could shut down your own T3 production for ever. It means you will get fatter and fatter every day unless you take T3 for the rest of your life. So do more research and then cycle it if you have to. Good diet would work better and you get proper results IMO. On the other note, dec11 has you covered with tren and test dosage. Both tren and test are known to reduce body fat. Again, your diet plays a main role here. Do more research.

[Duckhombre]

try reading the post first then

350mg for 350lb is absolute garbage, you do post some total crap. if you dont know, dont post.

OP, 350mg pw is fine, i did it 1st run and had no sides at all.

jus t wait to see how many ppl advocate less than 350mg, wont be many, if at all.

I just advocate a lower starting dose, because people have seem to have a wide reaction to it. While I concede that 350mg/week is more common than the 175mgs I recommend, I am just begging those early in their career TO START SLOW. That's all. I still believe if you can't feel 175mg/week your stuff is under dosed.

Tren is derived from Nandrolone , both 19-nors, ie, I said they are similar. They share the progesterone/prolactin thing. Anybody who has taken higher doses of nandrolone knows that it yields the same side effects as tren if the dose gets up there.


Moderation is real weird advice?

[Duckhombre]

There are two different schools of thought:
the test cycle augmented with tren
&
the tren cycle with supporting cast.

I think the test cycle with some tren thrown in the only sane way to start with tren.

That is just my opinion, yours will differ, please refrain from being dick while expressing that opinion.