Newby looking at Dianabol 40mg and 2mg of DECO

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 08:50 PM

Hi,

I am 32, someone who has been training in the gym for 10 years. Upper body I am happy with what I have achieved but I am naturally an ectomorph with skinny legs. I spend time building them up but it makes little difference, so I have always looked at steroids as a possibility. I know its a vanity thing, but that drives alot of people.

I basically had a friend do dianabol 40mg daily and 2mg Deco, for a 10 week cycle. He raved about it and is eager to do his second cycle. I was sold by his enthuiasm and ordered 40mg of Dianabol (DBOL ) and 2mg Deco, but researching i noticed alot of complaints about male pattern baldness in predisposed men.

I started receding at 18, I thought I would be bald at 21-22. Im 32 and my receding has slowed incredible well, so much that I still have a good head of hair, but protective about it (that feeling that it could go anytime!).

Anyway my question, and any constructive help would be so much apprecitated. I have bottled it with my order for dbol because of the complaints of speeding up male pattern baldness. For one cycle, can anyone offer a realistic opinion, i.e. could I find myself bald in 12 months because I did 1 cycle of DBOL? Is that a realistic possibility as I believe I am prone do this predisiposition. If I am I realise it will speed this up but is this still possible from one 10 week cycle.

Thanks for the input.

**toooosmall** · 01-22-2011, 09:33 PM

I haven't heard of anyone going more than 4 or 5 weeks. I also read that dbol and decca (deco?) should be used with test. I just started my very first cycle today, test e 500mg/wk with 40mg dbol per day, and i have 25 days worth (100 tabs) dbol. male pattern baldness? yikes. I'm interested in seeing what everyone says on this thread.

**dec11** · 01-22-2011, 09:46 PM

terrible idea taking dbol and deca for a cycle.

simple test e for 12wks is the entry level, but tht said, you need to research ALOT before you try anything. read all the beginner stuff in the stickies

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 09:58 PM

I'm basically going by a friend who raved about the gains he got from DBOL and deca . Interested why this is bad idea, I am newbie so any help is appreciated.

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 10:03 PM

what is test e? Is this something that I should look at? Better than DBOL and deca ? DBOL gets very good reviews generally for gains but the male pattern baldness crops up too much for my liking as a beginner. I appreciate I am taking a risk, but I want to evaluate it as much as possible, steroids after all can only be judged by experiences

**poppz** · 01-22-2011, 10:03 PM

Add test to that cycle

**38jumper38** · 01-22-2011, 10:05 PM

Yeah, ask your friend about Deca dick and don't forget about PCT.

**auslifta** · 01-22-2011, 10:14 PM

I don't think you should do the cycle you mentioned. Esp for a first. Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) is responsible for hair loss in males.
If your worried about hair loss more than your desire to get larger legs, don't do them.
There are plenty of things you may have not considered to bring your legs into proportion, if you decide to do a cycle have you thought your upper body might grow more and make your legs look thinner again???? It's all an illusion. Go to workout section and try different training methods until you find what works for you. It had taken me ages to work out what made my calves and shoulders to grow to what I wanted. Goodluck.

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 10:15 PM

I will but it gets confusing as I mentioned, newbie. Main question is regarding baldness, whats the risk from one cycle? Realistically? The ONE thing side affect I dont think I could handle. I'm confident about the other risks involved, not abusing something generally keeps you safe, but MPB is something I can realistically being a problem due to the effects on DHT.

**auslifta** · 01-22-2011, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by poppz

Add test to that cycle

Please don't give advice

**auslifta** · 01-22-2011, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

I will but it gets confusing as I mentioned, newbie. Main question is regarding baldness, whats the risk from one cycle? Realistically? The ONE thing side affect I dont think I could handle. I'm confident about the other risks involved, not abusing something generally keeps you safe, but MPB is something I can realistically being a problem due to the effects on DHT.

I've known a guy that lost alot of hair after a cycle, was it related? I don't know, maybe it was maybe it wasn't

**toooosmall** · 01-22-2011, 10:35 PM

matt, are you talking about the "legal steroids " stuff you can buy online or from a magazine?? thats what its sounding like, since you bold all letters DBOL like they do. if so, its junk, bullsh!t, I've tried it. and its more expensive than the real deal, methandrostenolone .

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 10:48 PM

I don't think you should do the cycle you mentioned. Esp for a first. Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) is responsible for hair loss in males.
If your worried about hair loss more than your desire to get larger legs, don't do them.
There are plenty of things you may have not considered to bring your legs into proportion, if you decide to do a cycle have you thought your upper body might grow more and make your legs look thinner again???? It's all an illusion. Go to workout section and try different training methods until you find what works for you. It had taken me ages to work out what made my calves and shoulders to grow to what I wanted. Goodluck.

I like youre reply. Basically I have naturally skinny legs, I try hard to build them but I cant. Simply using steroids I would spend the 8-10 weeks building them, less emphasis on upper body, that was my plan anyway. Its all very confusing, obviously I know about steroids and their benefits if youre lucky, and I think most people would be realistically if you dont abuse them. I want to do one cycle, thats it, but MPB is enough to make me go...NO, hang on, not prepared to sacrfice one thing for another. Anyway, to clarify, I work hard on my legs but I need to get something to assist now as for years I cant make them grow, protein and creatine are the only supplements I have used, with little progress.

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 10:56 PM

Sorry I meant to say, that yes, losing my hair would stop me from doing a cycle and youre right, if your worried about hair loss more than you desire to get larget legs, dont do them! I see what your saying but I am on this forum because, if someone said "matt, there is a 90% chance that you would experience hair loss from one cycle" then I would not do it, because I believe the experience of people on here, but if I got "matt, the chances are 20% from one cycle" I may consider the gamble! Anyone on here who has taken steroids is risking side effects, its like cocaine or ectasy, you can guarantee that most 18-25 have tried it knowing the risks. Its based on experience, thats what im looking for, if possible, someone to tell me the likelyhood of MPB from one cycle, is it rare or common??

**matt00ttam** · 01-22-2011, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by toooosmall

matt, are you talking about the "legal steroids" stuff you can buy online or from a magazine?? thats what its sounding like, since you bold all letters DBOL like they do. if so, its junk, bullsh!t, I've tried it. and its more expensive than the real deal, methandrostenolone.

I assumed it was illegal anabolic steroid because my friend has done it. He says its Dianabol (DBOL ) which is definitely not legal. And Deco which I dont know much about. What is methandrostenolone ? Is this worth getting for leg size do you think?

**Honkey_Kong** · 01-23-2011, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

Sorry I meant to say, that yes, losing my hair would stop me from doing a cycle and youre right, if your worried about hair loss more than you desire to get larget legs, dont do them! I see what your saying but I am on this forum because, if someone said "matt, there is a 90% chance that you would experience hair loss from one cycle" then I would not do it, because I believe the experience of people on here, but if I got "matt, the chances are 20% from one cycle" I may consider the gamble! Anyone on here who has taken steroids is risking side effects, its like cocaine or ectasy, you can guarantee that most 18-25 have tried it knowing the risks. Its based on experience, thats what im looking for, if possible, someone to tell me the likelyhood of MPB from one cycle, is it rare or common??

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

I assumed it was illegal anabolic steroid because my friend has done it. He says its Dianabol (DBOL) which is definitely not legal. And Deco which I dont know much about. What is methandrostenolone? Is this worth getting for leg size do you think?

Dianabol is the "brand name" of methandrostenolone and it is illegal so is Deca (at least in The States it is, but I digress). Dianabol doesn't convert to DHT, so you don't have to worry about hairloss from that. But you shouldn't run it longer than like 6 weeks. Deca doesn't convert either. But if you run these without any T, you're going to run in to some problems (IE Deca dick).

In fact, if this is your first cycle, don't run either deca or dianabol. Run test e solo. You'll make decent gains. If you're worried about hair loss (and there is no shame or anything wrong with being bald) take Propecia or Rogaine (even though neither can guarantee to prevent or reverse hair loss). If that still bothers you too much, don't take steroids .

**toooosmall** · 01-23-2011, 06:54 AM

i don't know if anyone mentioned yet that "test e" is testosterone enanthate . test should be core to most or all cycles. there's test cypionate and propionate too. test c is like e. it seems cheaper, safer, and much more effective to use the stuff this world is making illegal. i haven't found anything legal to do much of any good. read everything in this forum and soak up the stickies. this is one of the best sites to learn the right way to get a good physique. oh, and "deca dick", if you haven't guessed, is complete impotence. if your friend isn't impotent, then he is either shooting test, or is on fake deca.

**dec11** · 01-23-2011, 09:00 AM

like i said OP, read the beginner threads, they will explain all. you'll end up with some dick giving you stupid advice on here. your a big boy now, help yourself and research

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...TIONAL-THREADS

**38jumper38** · 01-23-2011, 11:29 AM

Don't worry much about losing your hair, your concern has to be on your glands, at your age you can shut then down and not recover, will be a lot of consequences from this cycle, and you can get "deca dick" from this cycle. Imagine if the 3 happened to you. Too bad at your age.

**dec11** · 01-23-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

Don't worry much about losing your hair, your concern has to be on your glands, at your age you can shut then down and not recover, will be a lot of consequences from this cycle, and you can get "deca dick" from this cycle. Imagine if the 3 happened to you. Too bad at your age.

err, hes 32

**Bonaparte** · 01-23-2011, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Dianabol doesn't convert to DHT, so you don't have to worry about hairloss from that. But you shouldn't run it longer than like 6 weeks. Deca doesn't convert either.

Though DHT is the the most common offender with hair loss (since it binds more tightly at the AR than most other hormones and is naturally found in the body), anything that activates the androgen receptor can do the same, especially if it has a decent androgenic profile.