"Gearing up" for first cycle

**bigbear411** · 01-24-2011, 10:16 PM

Hey Guys just wanted to ask a few questions about my first cycle, I am in the process of getting the gear. I my goal is to lean out but keep my strength and I have been doing it naturally, I am 5'11 26 years old almost 27 and was at 215 17% now, as of today 210 16% and its been about 2 weeks thanks to the diet section. Just so you know I am waiting to get to 15% bf before I start, might even wait till I hit 13.5 with the current success I am having, but I wanted to get all my gear in order.

Right now, somewhat because of what I can get, I am looking at prop and var cycle. I will have enough prop for 3 cycle, because it didn't cost too much more to get over one and 2 cycles worth of var.

I was thinking:
50mg Prop( I should be good with the pinning don't mind needles and have a high pain tolerance) eod week 1-8 Or should I do 12? Should I up it to 100mg EOD or keep it low?
40mg of var week 1-8 or if I did 12 weeks on prop 5-12

I picked up letro from Ar to run during the cycle was thinking .25mg a day but some say not to use letro, your guys thoughts on the amount and what I should use?

Then I still need to pick up Clomid and Novik should I also get HCG ?

I have everything but the PCT right now and will wait till I have it all. What do you guys think? Also since I will have extra gear how long is the shelf life? Could I do it again in 6 months?

As always thanks for the advice guys!

**eGGz** · 01-25-2011, 07:33 AM

I prefer Prop injected ED. In your case, 50 - 75mg ED for 10 weeks is my recommendation.
Letro probably won't be necessary.
Nolva and Clomid should be adequate for PCT
Store your extra gear in a dark place and It will last.
Yes you could cycle again in 6 months.
Personally I like anavar at the end of a cycle.

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by bigbear411

Hey Guys just wanted to ask a few questions about my first cycle, I am in the process of getting the gear. I my goal is to lean out but keep my strength and I have been doing it naturally, I am 5'11 26 years old almost 27 and was at 215 17% now, as of today 210 16% and its been about 2 weeks thanks to the diet section.good job keep it up Just so you know I am waiting to get to 15% bf before I start, might even wait till I hit 13.5 with the current success I am having,good decision the lower the bf the lower the chance of erse but I wanted to get all my gear in order.

Right now, somewhat because of what I can get, I am looking at prop and var cycle. I will have enough prop for 3 cycle, because it didn't cost too much more to get over one and 2 cycles worth of var.

I was thinking:
50mg Prop( I should be good with the pinning don't mind needles and have a high pain tolerance) eod week 1-8 Or should I do 12? Should I up it to 100mg EOD or keep it low?every day injections would be better i think if you keep it in the area of 350mgs pw you should groe of that40mg of var week 1-8 or if I did 12 weeks on prop 5-12. i compound first cycle
I picked up letro from Ar to run during the cycle was thinking .25mg a day but some say not to use letro, your guys thoughts on the amount and what I should use?l-dex or liquid stane would be a better ai choiceThen I still need to pick up Clomid and Novik should I also get HCG ? ar-r has nolva and clomid but no hcg if you can get it use it
I have everything but the PCT right now and will wait till I have it all. What do you guys think? Also since I will have extra gear how long is the shelf life? Could I do it again in 6 months?yes
As always thanks for the advice guys!

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**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 07:56 AM

@ MBM do you think he should stick with prop for his first cycle @ ED? or should we push him towards Test E or C? My concern would be that amount pinning for a new user.

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by lil_herc81

@ MBM do you think he should stick with prop for his first cycle @ ED? or should we push him towards Test E or C? My concern would be that amount pinning for a new user.

i would go test e but if he can handle it more power to him, i will use prop on my next go but i know what to expect.

**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 08:08 AM

I was thinking that you were advising per what he listed. Just wanted to check! You will love Prop, especially if you use with tren . (depending on experience of coarse) I like EOD with prop/tren always get great results. I wonder what would happen if I went ED???

**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 08:10 AM

@BigBear hey buddy if I can throw you a recommendation.... I would back off using the test prop and look into an easy mild first cycle. This will allow you to get used to pinning as well as introduce you to AAS in a mild way. This will help minimize sides also. My suggestion would be 500mg/Test E weekly (E3d is cool). Test Prop has pain that comes with it also that you may not want to encounter your first run.

**bigbear411** · 01-25-2011, 10:22 AM

Thanks for the reply guys! I already have the prop on order, one of the reasons I got it is because the deal I got on it, and also from the sound of it, correct me if I am wrong, it is one of the better test for cutting to keep my strength. I know that the pinning ED can break people, but as my doctor says when ever I do blood work and get shots I am sick. Don't mind needle and when I get shot that are suppose to be painful... I don't even notice them, That being said, Do you think I should hold the prop for the next cycle and get test e? Also since I have letro should I just hold on to in in case of gyno and pick up something else then from ar?

Thanks for all the input guys!

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 11:03 AM

again the ester is your choice and most wouldn't recommend prop for a newb. its not the pin that hurts it the oil.
and yes hold the letro and get something that wont kill all your estrogen as i mentioned above

**chi** · 01-25-2011, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

again the ester is your choice and most wouldn't recommend prop for a newb. its not the pin that hurts it the oil.
and yes hold the letro and get something that wont kill all your estrogen as i mentioned above

i have done prop and thinned the oil with some additional oil. What do you think of this practice?

**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 12:11 PM

I have never done this. I would say it could be wreckless to a Newbie. Looks like you have and understanding tho. Im sure for you it merely lessens the dosage.

**chi** · 01-25-2011, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by lil_herc81

I have never done this. I would say it could be wreckless to a Newbie. Looks like you have and understanding tho. Im sure for you it merely lessens the dosage.

I dont think the dosage is lessened because basically i was still injecting 50 mgs of prop regardless. Do you see what i mean lil herc?

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by chi

I dont think the dosage is lessened because basically i was still injecting 50 mgs of prop regardless. Do you see what i mean lil herc?

exactly just changes the volume

**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 12:24 PM

odd... It seems to me if you have x amount of oil and x amount of hormone it would put less in the syringe of the hormone and more of the oil.. no? See this is why i come here. EDUCATION!

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by lil_herc81

odd... It seems to me if you have x amount of oil and x amount of hormone it would put less in the syringe of the hormone and more of the oil.. no? See this is why i come here. EDUCATION!

the only active ingrediant is the steroid . now if you added oil to your vial prop vial and not the syring than you would cut the mg/ml ratio

**lil_herc81** · 01-25-2011, 12:45 PM

So he was adding oil to the syringe or the vial? confused now but I think I get it.

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by lil_herc81

So he was adding oil to the syringe or the vial? confused now but I think I get it.

should be adding to the syringe. if he adds to the vial hes throwing the ratio off.

**chi** · 01-25-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

the only active ingrediant is the steroid. now if you added oil to your vial prop vial and not the syring than you would cut the mg/ml ratio

that is really going to confuse every one lol

Originally Posted by lil_herc81

So he was adding oil to the syringe or the vial? confused now but I think I get it.

i added oil to the syringe to thin out the prop for the purpose of the injection not being as painful. It worked well too.

**bigbear411** · 01-25-2011, 12:58 PM

Thanks guys for the feedback, I might have to try adding the oil to the syringe. I will keep you guys up on the progress and let you know when I get all the Gear!

**MBMETC** · 01-25-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by chi

that is really going to confuse every one lol
myself included..lol

i added oil to the syringe to thin out the prop for the purpose of the injection not being as painful. It worked well too.

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