Superdrol is scaring me. Why am I not getting side effects?

[nhl1]

I don't get it, where are the side effects? I'm running all my maintenance meds:

Liver
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liv 52 - 3 pills/ED
1000 mg milk thistle/ED

Cardiovascular
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Red Yeast Rice - 1000mg/ED
CoQ10- 100mg/ED

Blood Pressure
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Fish/Flax/Borage - 6-8 pills/ED
Garlic - 4 pills/ED

Prostrate
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Saw Palmetto - 5 pills/ED

Muscle Cramps
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Taurine - 1500mg/ED

And of course I'm taking my daily regiment of usual multivitamins. Eating like a bull, training like a stronger one, and feel like superman. Very noticeable increase in agression. Balls are small, but can still tag my wife.

I ran 4 weeks and then did a two week break with Nolva and Clen.

No back pumps, no headache, no fatigue. However, I can't help but think about the sides so I'm constantly checking my urine, poop, eyes, etc to see if there's any sign of liver problems. Not a thing...

This stuff is the greatest shit I've ever taken. It's actually a SD clone that starts with the letters "Pri"

How long can I take this stuff? I don't want to stop! lol

[RaZr]

4 weeeks with at least 8-12 weeks of a break and if your not getting sides it does not mean your not hurting yourself, how many MG are you taking?

[nhl1]

40 mg a day. None on off days, which is 2 days a week.

[nhl1]

Anyone know what's harder on the liver, m1t or superdrol clone?

I've heard m1t is far more potent. I just want to do 2 more weeks on this shit and then take a nice break.

[MACHINE5150]

are these prohormones?

[nhl1]

No, but you can legally buy them all over the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methasterone

[MACHINE5150]

i always was told that a mg of a 17aa is a mg of 17aa.. therefore 50mg Dianabol, 50mg Anadrol, 50mg Superdrol would all have the same effect on the liver.. the effect on the rest of your body varies obviously, but the only part that damages your liver is the 17aa attached to the chemical so it could pass through the liver..

[nhl1]

That sure sounds right, and there have been plenty of people that run Dbol for God only knows how long.

[Techguy30]

I ran this stuff (M-drol) before I got a little more educated and luckily I did PCT. This stuff shut me down after 2 weeks . I did get really good gains from it but I will never run it again without test, I cant handle having a limp tool. I think it can be good to kickstart a Test E cycle instead of dbol (IMO). This stuff should be treated as toxic to the liver as dbol.

[RaZr]

i always was told that a mg of a 17aa is a mg of 17aa.. therefore 50mg Dianabol, 50mg Anadrol, 50mg Superdrol would all have the same effect on the liver.. the effect on the rest of your body varies obviously, but the only part that damages your liver is the 17aa attached to the chemical so it could pass through the liver..

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure superdrol has two methyl groups attached to it making it even worse, I read that somewhere not sure where at the 3 and 17. Also if that's true why is anavar supposed to be less liver toxic?

[BIG NICE]

This is all I've used before and I won't ever run Mdrol again. Blood work revealed that a 4 week cycle of the drol was kicking my liver in the ass. The sides for me were really bad, particularly toward the end of the cycle and all through pct. I also felt like I was hungover for some of the cycle. Good gains, but not really worth it to me.

[MACHINE5150]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure superdrol has two methyl groups attached to it making it even worse, I read that somewhere not sure where at the 3 and 17. Also if that's true why is anavar supposed to be less liver toxic?

EDITED - incorrect information

[RaZr]

If anavar isn't 17aa how does it pass through the liver?

[gymnerd]

Anavar is 17 aa and superdrol is double methly and will put alot of strain on your liver.

[Techguy30]

The stuff gives good gains but its just bad for you, ive had a bottle in the cabinet for awhile that ive been hesistant to take even as a kickstart. I wish I woulda got my bloodwork done after taking it because I felt like shit at the beginning of PCT and then came out of it. I had a 4 different buddies that have taken it and all were shut down in about 2 weeks. It really sucks when you have a hot wife or gf and cant get up for action lol

[RaZr]

Anavar is 17 aa and superdrol is double methly and will put alot of strain on your liver.

That is what I thought

[MACHINE5150]

I stand corrected.. i always thoguht it wasn't.. hmmm.. well this is the reason Anavar is less toxic then other orals:

Anavar is a mild anabolic with low androgenic activity. Its reduced androgenic activity is due to the fact that it is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Although one might think that this would make it a more androgenic steroid, it in fact creates a steroid that is less androgenic because it is already “5-alpha reduced”. In other words, it lacks the capacity to interact with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to a more potent “dihydro° form. It is a simple matter of where a steroid is capable of being potentiated in the body, and with oxandrolone we do not have the same potential as testosterone, which is several times more active in androgen responsive tissues compared to muscle tissue due to its conversion to DHT.

Anavar is also a 17alpha alkylated oral steroid, carrying an alteration that will put stress on the liver. It is important to point out however that dispite this alteration oxandrolone is generally very well tolerated. While liver enzyme tests will occasionally show elevated values, actual damage due to this steroid is not usually a problem. Bio-Technology General states that oxandrolone is not as extensively metabolized by the liver as other l7aa orals are; evidenced by the fact that nearly a third of the compound is still intact when excreted in the urine. This may have to do with the understood milder nature of this agent (compared to other l7aa orals) in terms of hepatotoxicity.

So i assume then there is more gonig on than just the 17aa. I was told otherwise but that seems to be incorrect, as this clearly states.

[Bonaparte]

Lets clear this up: According to Anabolics 2009, the toxicity of a 17aa oral steroid is mainly influenced by how androgenic and potent it is. This is because the liver contains many ARs and the more these are activated, the more strain on the liver. Now, I'm hardly one of Llewelyn's nut-hangers, but this makes a lot of sense, since compounds like Mibolerone and methyltren are far more toxic than Anavar and Tbol.

And Superdrol does have 2 methyl groups, but one is at the 3 position (which prevents masteron from being deactivated in skeletal muscle like DHT), so it does not contribute any toxicity. The stuff is just toxic because it is potent and androgenic in vivo, not because of the 3-methyl group that separates masteron (remember that SD is methylmasteron) from DHT.

[gymnerd]

Lets clear this up: According to Anabolics 2009, the toxicity of a 17aa oral steroid is mainly influenced by how androgenic and potent it is. This is because the liver contains many ARs and the more these are activated, the more strain on the liver. Now, I'm hardly one of Llewelyn's nut-hangers, but this makes a lot of sense, since compounds like Mibolerone and methyltren are far more toxic than Anavar and Tbol.

And Superdrol does have 2 methyl groups, but one is at the 3 position (which prevents masteron from being deactivated in skeletal muscle like DHT), so it does not contribute any toxicity. The stuff is just toxic because it is potent and androgenic in vivo, not because of the 3-methyl group that separates masteron (remember that SD is methylmasteron) from DHT.

That makes alot of sense, I have heard it said before all 17aa zre the same and that just doesnt add up when you start really compairing different drugs. I just makes sense that the stronger mg for mg compounds would do more damage.

[Bonaparte]

That makes alot of sense, I have heard it said before all 17aa are the same and that just doesnt add up when you start really compairing different drugs. I just makes sense that the stronger mg for mg compounds would do more damage.

Of course it isn't true. Think whoever said that would take 100mg of M1T since he can do the same with Anavar? lol

[cro]

there all very harsh in sides hdrol is the least. i find it very hard to believe that s-drol is causing no sides? there is no way . its worse than anadrol??????

[Ashop]

are these prohormones?

They were touted as 'pro hormones' but they were far from that,,,M1T,,SUPERDROL were just designer oral steroids.

[Honkey_Kong]

OP, atrophy is a side-effect. And for the record, I'd rather have back pumps than tiny balls. But you're rather lucky with it. I get horrible back pumps and headaches. I had to drink a shitload of water to get rid of the headaches. Taurine didn't do shit for the back pumps though.

Superdrol is a double methylated steroid (it's not a prohormone). And you can make decent gains from it, but it's poison. I read there is a pro-wrestler CW Anderson who allegedly had some sort of liver problems from it, ended up going to the hospital and losing 40lbs when he got out.

[nhl1]

I'm dead serious, I'm not getting any side effects (I don't consider testicular atrophy a side effect, that's to be expected from all AAS) from running this substance. Now, keep in mind that I'm not using (nor would I ever use) the original SD. This is a clone from a company who claims their absorption system prevents it from being so liver toxic--I have no idea how accurate that is, it's just something I saw one of their reps post on a forum. Also, see that I'm running every ancillary supplement in order to keep my body as healthy as possible. I don't take it on days I don't lift, so I'm giving my body/liver a break 2 out of every 7 days, and I'll never run it for more than 3 or 4 weeks straight.

With regards to CW Anderson, I found this article:

Former ECW star CW Anderson will miss all of October due to a colistatic liver injury. In an attempt to improve his physique, Anderson began using a supplement called Superdrol that can be found in most GNC outlets.

The supplement turned out to be far too strong for his system, effectively shutting down his liver, causing jaundice, and a weight loss of close to 25 lbs. in 10 days. Anderson hadn't been feeling well but gutted his way through a WORLD-1 event in Philadelphia and the Hardcore Homecoming events in Pittsburgh and Cleveland last month. Although he made all his appearances, he knew something wasn't physically right.
After returning home, Anderson checked himself into the hospital on the advice of former WCW star Lodi. The doctors initially feared he was going to require a liver transplant. Thankfully, that turned out not to be the case, although he's been told he likely won't ever be able to use supplements again for fear of damaging his liver. At one point, he was averaging one hour of sleep a night because his body was itching so bad and he was regularly getting violently ill.
Anderson will be out of the ring until 11/5, when he faces Matt "Spike Dudley" Hyson at the Hardcore Homecoming November Reign event in Philadelphia, PA. Until then, he is working on regaining some of the muscle mass he lost during the illness.

Now, I don't know if he was only sleeping 1 hour a night and itching before or after his hospital visit, but he clearly knew something wasn't right in his body beforehand. I'm not only looking for side effects, I'm looking for them with a paranoid eye, although I'm going to stop what I'm doing now and take a month off/get some liver tests. I just find it hard to believe your liver would just complete give out on you one day without showing any sort of warning signs.

[nhl1]

At one point, he was averaging one hour of sleep a night because his body was itching so bad and he was regularly getting violently ill.

And that has got to be before he went to the hospital. I don't think a hospital would release you in that condition.

FYI... Extreme itching and insomnia are a major sign of liver malfunction.

[number twelve]

ur lucky, i didnt have any sides from sd either. its awesome stuff. you should continue dosing even on your off days. why let your blood levels plummet on your recovery day?

[powerliftmike]

How can we say you have no side effects with no medical basis? Was any bloodwork at all done?? That being said superdrol is complete shit IMO. If you are a pencil neck you might pack on some muscle and water but I didnt gain one damn thing: weight or strength.

[nhl1]

If you are a pencil neck you might pack on some muscle and water but I didnt gain one damn thing: weight or strength.

I don't think you had the real thing. I'm 210 lbs about 9% BF right now and can bench 400 on my last set. I've never been this strong and yet so lean.

How can we say you have no side effects with no medical basis?

That's what I'm concerned about. I'm not showing any visual side effects, nor can I feel any. But I don't think the body just puts up with a ton of shit without showing a single sign. It just doesn't work like that.

[nhl1]

ur lucky, i didnt have any sides from sd either. its awesome stuff. you should continue dosing even on your off days. why let your blood levels plummet on your recovery day?

I employed this strategy because I read so many negative posts regarding its hepatoxicity.

[powerliftmike]

If you are a pencil neck you might pack on some muscle and water but I didnt gain one damn thing: weight or strength.

I don't think you had the real thing. I'm 210 lbs about 9% BF right now and can bench 400 on my last set. I've never been this strong and yet so lean.

So I got a fake supplement?? Maybe it works for you, it just doesnt do anything for me. If it works for you, more power to you.

How can we say you have no side effects with no medical basis?

That's what I'm concerned about. I'm not showing any visual side effects, nor can I feel any. But I don't think the body just puts up with a ton of shit without showing a single sign. It just doesn't work like that.

I dont think you understand what I said. You have no medical/scientific basis to claim no side effects. Just bc something is stressing your liver for example doesnt mean you are gonna see some external sign. Ive never "felt" my cholesterol change either, for example, you need medical documentation for this. So it does work like that.

Im not understanding your overall point here: You claim to have gotten huge gains from superdrol and are disappointed you are not seeing (note: seeing) side effects? Hell, you even claim your balls are smaller tho. You should be happy, but still be smart and properly cycle superdrol bc I can assure you it is changing your lipids,liver enzymes,LH & FSH secretion, etc

[nhl1]

Yeah, today is my last day. I'll get bloodwork done in a month or so and let everyone know the results. I am pleased, but it's scary, because I feel like I could run this shit forever, which of course I will not do.

[nhl1]

Ive never "felt" my cholesterol change either, for example

I guess my whole reasoning behind this thread is to see whether anyone else has taken harsh orals (superdrol, dbol, m1t, anavar) and also not felt any side effects. Because while you can't feel high cholesterol, you can feel hypertension. You can feel or see if your liver is having troubles. Blood in stool, stomach pains, etc.

I have like 12 bottles of this shit I don't want to throw away $500 of supps because I fear every pill I put into my body could be the next one that my body decides, "Okay, that's it, I'm done." There are warning signs for that, or so I thought.

[number twelve]

post a pic bro would love to see the gains u made. i put on 12 really dry pounds from it. i was very happy with the results. added 80lbs on my bench too

[Bonaparte]

Yeah, today is my last day. I'll get bloodwork done in a month or so and let everyone know the results. I am pleased, but it's scary, because I feel like I could run this shit forever, which of course I will not do.

Run your PCT for at least a month starting the day of your last dose, then wait 6+ weeks before getting bloodwork. SERMs will boost test real high while still in your system, and they have a 5-7 day half life.

[SMcB]

This superdrol/m-drol compound is pretty intriguing. I can't believe the ridiculous amount of weight/strength that people put on in such a short period of time. Which makes me wonder, is a 4 week superdrol cycle superior to a 10-12 week steroid cycle? If you can gain the same amount in 4 weeks as you could on a long injectable cycle, wouldn't it be better to do a 4 week cycle instead? Wouldn't HPTA recovery be that much quicker, which would mean more gains kept after cycle?

[gymnerd]

How can we say you have no side effects with no medical basis? Was any bloodwork at all done?? That being said superdrol is complete shit IMO. If you are a pencil neck you might pack on some muscle and water but I didnt gain one damn thing: weight or strength.

Yeah man I agree, first time I ran SD was at the tail end of a cyle and thought it was great and that it really boosted at the end but I think it was the injectibles peaking now. I ran it again with only 250mg of test in me to see what it could really do and I didnt get shit off it except a bunch of sides ran it up to 40mg a day too .

[gymnerd]

This superdrol/m-drol compound is pretty intriguing. I can't believe the ridiculous amount of weight/strength that people put on in such a short period of time. Which makes me wonder, is a 4 week superdrol cycle superior to a 10-12 week steroid cycle? If you can gain the same amount in 4 weeks as you could on a long injectable cycle, wouldn't it be better to do a 4 week cycle instead? Wouldn't HPTA recovery be that much quicker, which would mean more gains kept after cycle?

Its not, IMO most everyone who makes those kinds of gains are newbs with little training and or never done an anabolic before so they respond well. 20 lbs in 4 wks? I would not get that off 1500mg of test and 200mg of anadrol soo take those claims with a grain of salt

[oldnsedentary]

post a pic bro would love to see the gains u made. i put on 12 really dry pounds from it. i was very happy with the results. added 80lbs on my bench too

How long did you do it?

[number twelve]

i think under 4 weeks. i did a log on this forum, if u want to have a look

[number twelve]

bang

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...log&highlight=