Got the phone call, Here my plan

[meat77]

22y/o
200 11-12%, stay around 7-8 when im cutting during summer
i have one cyp/eq/oral winn cycle last april

i just got a call from my guy and im looking at this,
week 1-6 prop 100mg eod
week 4-6 winn oral 50mg ed
week 7-9 clomid 150/100/50
week 14-23 cyp 600mg wk
week 14-23 eq 600mg wk
week 18-23 winny inj 100mg eod
week 26-28 clomid 150/100/50

[D7M]

You're too young to cycle, and that's terrible plan.

[MACHINE5150]

height??? i think your plan is retarded.. y not just do the test 8 weeks and take a PROPER 12 weeks off after?

[D7M]

height??? i think your plan is retarded.. why not just do the test 8 weeks and take a PROPER 12 weeks off after?

Why not? because he's 22.

[dec11]

wtf?? is this another troll

[meat77]

this isnt my first so get off the age, ive done research and found people who do 4 on 4 off or 6 on 6 off for 6-7 months at a time so why would a 6 on 6 off then 10 on and 10 off work?

[MACHINE5150]

this isnt my first so get off the age, ive done research and found people who do 4 on 4 off or 6 on 6 off for 6-7 months at a time so why would a 6 on 6 off then 10 on and 10 off work?

horrible plan man.. Your body will not be able to recover in a plan like that... My advice is to just wait another year or two, do some more research. Your plan as you have it is just horrible and you risk shutting yourself down permenantly with something like that.

[meat77]

okay what if i ditched the first short cycle, and did something like this
front load with prop
1-3 prop 100 eod
1-10 600 cyp wk
1-10 600 eq
5-10 winn eod 100mg

[Ernst]

Still a flawed plan. And you're still only 22.

[X83]

You're an idiot.




Get a clue and go read the newbie threads before you post something this stupid.

[Honkey_Kong]

okay what if i ditched the first short cycle, and did something like this
front load with prop
1-3 prop 100 eod
1-10 600 cyp wk
1-10 600 eq
5-10 winn eod 100mg

At least nobody is ever going to accuse you of being brilliant.

You should also keep some crack cocaine on hand, Just in case.

[boz]

ahahhaa this forum never seeks to amaze me.

[FireGuy]

You're an idiot.




Get a clue and go read the newbie threads before you post something this stupid.

If you cant be constructive with your critique then just post in a different thread.

[FireGuy]

Just because a member proposes a cycle which may be ill concieved does not give any of you guys license to start with the "retard" "idiot" or any other inflammatory comments. This board is here to help and educate and if you dont want to do either then just dont post. The OP's proposed cycle is not a good one and his age is a concern as well. Other than that he hasnt been disrespectful or done anything deserving for many of the comments in this thread. Trying to make someone else feel dumb or look stupid does not elevate your status or make any of you appear any smarter in the process.

[MACHINE5150]

okay what if i ditched the first short cycle, and did something like this
front load with prop
1-3 prop 100 eod
1-10 600 cyp wk
1-10 600 eq
5-10 winn eod 100mg

way too many compounds for a first cycle. as i stated before, do some research and wait until you are atleast 23.5-24, preferably 25

[MACHINE5150]

Just because a member proposes a cycle which may be ill concieved does not give any of you guys license to start with the "retard" "idiot" or any other inflammatory comments. This board is here to help and educate and if you dont want to do either then just dont post. The OP's proposed cycle is not a good one and his age is a concern as well. Other than that he hasnt been disrespectful or done anything deserving for many of the comments in this thread. Trying to make someone else feel dumb or look stupid does not elevate your status or make any of you appear any smarter in the process.

^^^^X2 This is why we have a "no flaming" policy. if you want ot flame someone go flame the guy who started the "i want to ruin my sex drive" thread or the "how do i sun tan the tip of my penis" thread.. those guys deserve it, this guy is looking for info which we intend to give, of course with a recomendation that he wait until he is older.

[FireGuy]

^^Indeed.

[flexandex]

Looks like you've fallen victim to more is better.

Why try to be so complicated with it? 6 on 6 off with short esthers, into a long esther cycle? why?

prop 1-10
winny 6-10
PCT 10-14

you're gona get the same sort of thing out of it, theres no need to overcomplicate the process.

[kluska399]

I don't see why you guys insist that 22 is too young.. what if jay cutler was on here 25 years ago.. he started at 19.. what if he actually listened to u guys telling him hes too young...

[Tigershark]

Too young.

[Bigjerdog]

Regardless of age with only one cycle of experience it seems like just way to much. Ask yourself why you think you need all that? Read all about gear here and look at what every one else is doing. Where did you hear about that cycle? I mean I think its safe to say that a forum like this is where you are going to get the best advice on this topic. Keep it simple bud.

[marcus300]

You to young to cycle, learn how to eat first and build a base from a solid diet plan, this is the key to maintaining and building muscle tissue once you start cycling, do this for the next 2 yrs and you will build some serious tissue.

Please dont listen to the guys who are advising you to cycle, these guys are your age and know nothing about compounds/sides and the damage what can be occurred at your age. Dont be tunnel visioned thinking steroids are the answer they are not at your age, you have a very high level of natural testosterone at you age which you will never have again and you need to use it, dont shut it down and destroy it.

[MBMETC]

^^^^X2 This is why we have a "no flaming" policy. if you want ot flame someone go flame the guy who started the "i want to ruin my sex drive" thread or the "how do i sun tan the tip of my penis" thread.. those guys deserve it, this guy is looking for info which we intend to give, of course with a recomendation that he wait until he is older.

Lol, those are two classic threads..

[Honkey_Kong]

Lol, those are two classic threads..

I never read the "sun tan the tip of my penis" thread.....

[Matt]

Just because a member proposes a cycle which may be ill concieved does not give any of you guys license to start with the "retard" "idiot" or any other inflammatory comments. This board is here to help and educate and if you dont want to do either then just dont post. The OP's proposed cycle is not a good one and his age is a concern as well. Other than that he hasnt been disrespectful or done anything deserving for many of the comments in this thread. Trying to make someone else feel dumb or look stupid does not elevate your status or make any of you appear any smarter in the process.

Agreed...

To much of this is happening of late and it has to stop....

You to young to cycle, learn how to eat first and build a base from a solid diet plan, this is the key to maintaining and building muscle tissue once you start cycling, do this for the next 2 yrs and you will build some serious tissue.

Please dont listen to the guys who are advising you to cycle, these guys are your age and know nothing about compounds/sides and the damage what can be occurred at your age. Dont be tunnel visioned thinking steroids are the answer they are not at your age, you have a very high level of natural testosterone at you age which you will never have again and you need to use it, dont shut it down and destroy it.

Now thats some good smart and constructive advice......

[cro]

where did you plan this cycle this is horrible. whats with the clomid ? mid cycle?

22y/o
200 11-12%, stay around 7-8 when im cutting during summer
i have one cyp/eq/oral winn cycle last april

i just got a call from my guy and im looking at this,
week 1-6 prop 100mg eod
week 4-6 winn oral 50mg ed
week 7-9 clomid 150/100/50
week 14-23 cyp 600mg wk
week 14-23 eq 600mg wk
week 18-23 winny inj 100mg eod
week 26-28 clomid 150/100/50

[dec11]

Looks like you've fallen victim to more is better.

Why try to be so complicated with it? 6 on 6 off with short esthers, into a long esther cycle? why?

prop 1-10
winny 6-10
PCT 10-14

you're gona get the same sort of thing out of it, theres no need to overcomplicate the process.

do not advise young ppl on cycles especially if your only 19 yourself and have no clue what you are doing.stick to your log kiddo and dont try giving advice.............

[dec11]

OP, i gained varily easily right up until my early 30's without gear, no reason why you cant wait till at least 25

[kluska399]

OP, i gained varily easily right up until my early 30's without gear, no reason why you cant wait till at least 25

What if jay cutler was on here 25 years ago and you told him this when he started gear at 19 years old? Maybe this guy doesn't wanna be just another big guy. Obviously jay had many educated ppl around him and this guy has many dummies around him but I just don't understand when yous say too young.. maybe hes not just trying to be big.

[cro]

who cares we dont advise people to use under 25 ,there are other boards that pass on advice that could jepordise someones health..

What if jay cutler was on here 25 years ago and you told him this when he started gear at 19 years old? Maybe this guy doesn't wanna be just another big guy. Obviously jay had many educated ppl around him and this guy has many dummies around him but I just don't understand when yous say too young.. maybe hes not just trying to be big.

[FireGuy]

What if jay cutler was on here 25 years ago and you told him this when he started gear at 19 years old? Maybe this guy doesn't wanna be just another big guy. Obviously jay had many educated ppl around him and this guy has many dummies around him but I just don't understand when yous say too young.. maybe hes not just trying to be big.

Jay Cutler was competing in bodybuilding and winning shows when he was 19 years old and was a promising up and coming bodybuilder. Not someone who was looking to get cut for summer time. If a 23 year old were to post on here and had several bodybuilding titles under his belt and appeared to have a future in this sport I wouldnt have an issue with him getting cycle advise.

[BG]

Perfectly said.

[dec11]

What if jay cutler was on here 25 years ago and you told him this when he started gear at 19 years old? Maybe this guy doesn't wanna be just another big guy. Obviously jay had many educated ppl around him and this guy has many dummies around him but I just don't understand when yous say too young.. maybe hes not just trying to be big.

ah jesus, grow up. exact problem with you kids, you think steroids are going to turn you into a world class bb'er, 99% of the time IT WONT

[MBMETC]

ah jesus, grow up. exact problem with you kids, you think steroids are going to turn you into a world class bb'er, 99% of the time IT WONT

exactly. people fail to realize that these pro's have incredibly gifted geans and an affinity to buld an incredible body. they are eyed early in their career and recieve advice and training from the likes of people the average guy on this board could never afford. they live in the gym and eat, sleep and shit training. unless your making a living off bodybuilding than just consider yourself that average guy! and stop making ridiculas comparisons.

[PT]

whats up with people insulting him? either tell him you think he is to young and move on or give him the advice he is looking for. there is no need to insult him. even though i think nobody should cycle under the age of 23 i started alot younger and im just fine. im not saying i reccomend it because i dont, just saying

[meat77]

thanks for the people who is actually giving me advise, i did a cyp/eq cycle last april and didnt have any sides and great results, and as far as having a proper diet and training, ive been training since i was 15 through highschool to college football, than i competed in powerlifting and strongman and hold a record in spf and national qualified as a teen in nastrongman, i was weighing 320 then changed my diet and training routine and go to where im at today, so my diet and training is on spot, on that cycle i obviously got some bad advise from a friend who didnt know what they were talking about, but would it really hurt me that bad to do something simple like a cyp.eq like i did last april again? Again thanks to the members who are helping me