Doing Deca by its self!

[AIRDOGG]

I have been researching for a few days now and have some questions about doing deca just by its self. And I would like to know what choices to make for PCT.

I know some of you are thinking wtf would you do it by it self for, and I have read all of those comments on this site!

I am kind of worried to do test and all the other stronger roids because of the side effects..

I am 36, 215 lbs, 6ft tall, and some where around 16 to 17% body fat I think.. I have been on a 4 day split for the last year and half.

My real question is if I dont wanna do other roids would it be ok if I just did the deca by its self along with a proper diet? And what other supplements could I stack it with and what I should take as far as PCT.

Would be great to know!

[lifteatsleep]

Clearly, you need to do more research mate.

To begin with, you don't want to do 'stronger' roids, because of the sides, yet you want to do a straight deca cycle? That doesn't make sense in so many ways.

I say, research more into a Test only (Test E or Test C) cycle for your first, which would be the safest/most beneficial with proper PCT.

[Ernst]

I might argue that deca is stronger than test for sides, just not in the results department. Side effects are overstated a lot, but deca dick is very real. No one will recommend deca only.

I would still recommend a test only cycle (lower than 500-- say 350mg/wk) if sides are a concern.

You might also consider anavar or tbol, though I found var to be a waste in the bang for the buck dept.


It's obvious you still have a lot of research to do, but you started in the gym and found your way here, so you're on the right path....

[layeazy]

I can kinda be sympathetic because when i use test i get bad acne on my back and when i have used deca i never have however with deca it shuts you down straight away so i would suggest running HCG throughout cycle also with PCT run clomid at 50mg a day.

Some professional athletics have run just deca so it cant be all bad their is deca dick but that effects certain ppl some never get it others do bad some up to you.

Good luck

[AIRDOGG]

layeazy... When you say "shuts you down" what does that mean? And I do appeciate the suggestions guys you are correct I realy dont know what to do, this will be my first time ever trying roids... I just dont want to get like a 1000 zits and lose my hair, how can I by pass that?

Cheers!

[AIRDOGG]

Wow, I guess you are correct lift...lol, I thought the sides were safer with the deca, but I figured with the proper PCT I could dodge that stuff!

[layeazy]

Shuts you down means that after 1 injection of deca it tells your body to stop producing test straight away thats where the use of HCG is so important if you want to run a deca only cycle. You will also wanna run it for atleast 10 weeks as its a long laster ester but i can understand why alot stay away from deca because you can get great results on low dose of test.

Sides can vary but if your prone to acne i am and test doesn't help the situation and i live in country so hot most of the year we dont wear alot of clothes so not a good luck having a pimple map on your back lol.

[Ernst]

layeazy... When you say "shuts you down" what does that mean? And I do appeciate the suggestions guys you are correct I realy dont know what to do, this will be my first time ever trying roids... I just dont want to get like a 1000 zits and lose my hair, how can I by pass that?

Cheers!

Keep reading brother! With research you'll learn the risks and rewards and ins and outs. Any side effects that arise are easily managed for most who did their homeowork.

Shutdown is the result of adding test (or something that can act like it in our bodies- like deca) to your system. The HPTA, the system in your body that naturally sends and receives all the signals to produce natural testosterone (among other things) shuts down. It often results in (temporary) ball shrinkage. This can be prevented as well.

[layeazy]

Also before i get flamed about the professional athletes that have just used deca.

Would this be correct the doctor would administer the Deca also with a cycle of HCG with these athletes?

* Petr Korda tested positive for nandrolone after winning the 1998 Australian Open. He was banned for one year and never returned to professional tennis.[10]
* Roger Clemens, who was a member of the 2000 World Series winning New York Yankees, was reported to have been injected with nandrolone (Deca-Durabolin) by major league strength coach Brian McNamee during the 2000 baseball season.[11]
* Barry Bonds is reported to have begun a regime of banned steroids and human growth hormones following his disappointment with insufficient acclaim for his past natural baseball achievements. In the 1999 spring training camp his trainer readily admitted to a Bonds' teammate that Bonds was doping the steroid Deca-Durabolin.[12]
* UFC Hall of Famer Royce Gracie tested positive for nandrolone after defeating his long time rival Kazushi Sakuraba at K-1 Dynamite!! USA in 2007, he was fined $2,500 and suspended for the remainder of his license.[13]
* Shoaib Akhtar, a Pakistani cricketer, was given a two year ban in 2006 for testing positive for nandrolone. Shoaib was sent back to Pakistan and missed out competing for the Champions Trophy. The verdict, however, was overturned by a three-man tribunal a month later.[14]
* Sean Sherk, former UFC Lightweight Champion, tested positive for nandrolone following his title defence to Hermes Franca at UFC 73. Sherk passed a lie detector test claiming that he did not knowingly take steroids but the UFC still stripped Sherk of the lightweight title.[15]
* Linford Christie, a British sprinter and 1992 Olympic gold medalist, tested positive for nandrolone in 1999.[16]
* Former Maryland Terrapin and NBA player Juan Dixon tested positive for use of this drug in 2009, which earned him a suspension by the International Basketball Federation.[17]
* In September 2010, Baltimore Orioles minor league shortstop Alfredo Zambrano received a 50-game suspension for the 2011 season as a result of testing positive for metabolites of nandrolone.[18]
* Indian athlete Rani Yadav tested positive for nandrolone at the 2010 Commonwealth Games. [19]

[AIRDOGG]

I think I will keep reading and keep the deca bottlel on standby for now... What other roids can I stack it with besides test? And what is the best products to buy for PCT?

[Ernst]

I'll point out that less was known in the past, and deca only with no real support to speak of was probably a lot more prevalent. Now we know a little better.

Those results from layeazy above could also be a mix of the fact that deca will last in your system and give you a positive test a LONG time after use, as well as plain inaccuracy.

No one is going to recommend deca only, or deca in a first cycle. I would argue that with proper ancillary support it may be possible for the uninitiated to run a successful deca only cycle without gambling on sides like deca dick. That's using ancillary support that we don't even know if it's needed though... And of course, I'm not volunteering to be the guinea pig for that...

[Ernst]

I think I will keep reading and keep the deca bottlel on standby for now... What other roids can I stack it with besides test? And what is the best products to buy for PCT?

First cycle: one compound. That way if any bad sides begin you know what to blame.

As I said before, if test is not for you you might consider tbol or anavar, though I still stand by the test recommendation.

Check out the pct forum.

Seriously, this is not a race. You need to educate yourself, not be spoon-fed. This way you can deal with anything yourself and make wise choices. Take your time.

[AIRDOGG]

Yea, roger that ErnstHat... I will keep looking into this and I do appreciate your time in answering my questions. I will have to look into the other two you mentioned and see whats better for me. I do like the trying one at a time approach for the first time, im just ready to get it to the next level and fast! lol

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[Ernst]

You should start your own thread. Include the mg per ml. 1ml/wk tells us nothing of compound dosage.

[ds53]

Deca Dick is real and you can get it so bad that Viagra, Cialas or any ED medicine will not help. That sob will be useless, good for peeing through only!

[lifteatsleep]

Wow, I guess you are correct lift...lol, I thought the sides were safer with the deca, but I figured with the proper PCT I could dodge that stuff!

You might. You might not.

Test E/C sides are pretty easy to control, if you are parnoid, start off on a lowish dose and maybe work your way up if you are tolerating the sides. If you break out with too much acne, bloat, gyno etc, have Nolva on hand, too easy. With Deca-dick, its a little more complex.

My anecdotal evidence is, most guys I know that have run first cycle of Test at about 500-600mgs have reported no major sides, besides maybe a bit of acne and bloat. I think most people would agree with this and that is why Test only cycles are often suggested as a first cycle.

LES.

[AIRDOGG]

Ahhh ok, I can dig it... You guys are making some sense, if I like women and more then one use for my shizznet dont do deca by it self, if I wanna do deca do it with test, for a first cycle do test alone because I can obviously tell the side effects (I wont know for sure with two substances).... See people not all newbs are TARDS, im getting it!!lol

Now if I was to do test at 500-600mgs a week how long would my cycle be and what exact product do I need to buy for PCT? I have been on the PCT forums and I just dont see anyone nailing it down, everyone has a diff approach. And I read articals on each PCT out there but to a new one like my self all the acronyms of all the other stuff make no sense. So what should I buy and how long should I take it?

[lifteatsleep]

Yeah it is good to see that you are picking up stuff and not just arguing lol.

Test E/C are long esters, so minimum 8 weeks and maximum 12. (8-10 is best IMO). A cycle like that, I doub't youd have any major issues, nobody I know has to date.

PCT, Nolva/Clomid would be good. When I did Test E, I did Nolva only at 40/40/20/20 and recovered fine, kept most my gains. You could add Clomid to be extra safe.
(BTW, that means 40mgs a day for first week, 40 mgs a day for second week, 20 mgs a day for third week and so on).

[AIRDOGG]

Nice...lol That would have been my next question "what does 40/40/20/20 meam" Ok, im getting it now. So much information overload that its hard to understand what to do and when to do it and how much to do! I appreciate the advise brotha...

[lifteatsleep]

Just ease into it, there's no fire, so no need to hurry bro.
LES.