quick question on clen

**bezzy** · 02-01-2011, 11:34 AM

if i decided to do a clen and t3 cycle what would be the recomended dosage for how long.. allso what kind of diet would i need to follow... would i loose much muscle... will i need a pct... and how long after a corse would i have to wait.. just in my 5th week off a 6week corse of prop and winni.

25
5ft8
below 15%

**Walnutz** · 02-01-2011, 11:54 AM

Clen without ketotifen is ran for 2 weeks on/2 weeks off. T3 can be ran for much longer. I've done 3 months at 50mcg/day.

For clen start at 20-40mcg and see how you react then dose up from there. I wouldn't go much higher than 100mcg/day

For t3 start at 40-50mcg then ramp up to about 75-100mcg/day. T3 will burn muscle tissue so it's best to run with gear.

No pct necessary.

**SirLiftALOT** · 02-01-2011, 12:12 PM

When you come off make sure to taper off the T3 slowly . Im never ran T3 but thats what i read on most sites .

**charliemurphy229** · 02-01-2011, 01:25 PM

very godo advice from Walnutz, also if you add keto to your clen cycle you don't have to do the 2 weeks on and 2 off. You can run it straight through.

**bezzy** · 02-01-2011, 02:06 PM

Cheers not herd of keto before need to reserch... Need to do more reading on clen first not had time to read all the info on here so much to read..

**Bigjerdog** · 02-01-2011, 03:41 PM

Be sure and read the Clen handbook on the educational threads... Lots of info there. I think there are actually several of them.. Use the search function and you will have more information that you knwo what to do with

**bezzy** · 02-01-2011, 05:23 PM

what about clen on its own whould i get good results with no muscle loss?

**bezzy** · 02-02-2011, 04:09 AM

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**baseline_9** · 02-02-2011, 04:18 AM

If ur avi is current your BF is higher than 15%

I would hold off on the clen untill you have lost some BF

A strict diet and lots of cardio is all you need TBH

**bezzy** · 02-02-2011, 05:00 AM

no long time ago that avi.. last 6 months trimed down a lot... cardio 3 times a week 40 mins heart rate at 180 and going well..what would you say would be the right % to start???

**baseline_9** · 02-02-2011, 05:49 AM

Im not really sure but I would only use it when fat loss is slowing down

@ 12-10% it may help to break a fat loss hault

Im getting some but wont be using it just yet I dont think

Atleast stick with a strict contest prep style diet and cardio schedule first

If your only doing 3 sessions a week I reccomend you up that to at least 6 before using clen

Im currently doing 11 cardio sessions a week. Put the effort into the training b4 you short change urself

**M302_Imola** · 02-02-2011, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by bezzy

no long time ago that avi.. last 6 months trimed down a lot... cardio 3 times a week 40 mins heart rate at 180 and going well..what would you say would be the right % to start???

Bro your heart rate is way to high if you're interested in burning fat. You need to keep a steady heart rate of 60-70% max heart rate (MHR) for optimal fat burning and want to perform this cardio either first thing in the morning (before breakfast) or right after an intense weight lifting session. MHR = 220 - age, once you get this number simply take 60% and then 70% and then you have your fat burning range. Ex. I'm 30 yrs. old, 220-30 = 190, so 60% of 190 = 114 and 70% = 133 so my optimal fat burning range is 114-133 beats per min (BPM). Hope this helps.

**bezzy** · 02-02-2011, 08:45 AM

Cheets m3 mone woul be 136 at 70... Seems too easy tho??? at 175 for 40 mins gets me sweting and burning 400 caleries am i taking the wron aproach?? Allsk baseline my workouts are mon chest back tues cv wed shoulder and legs thurs cv fri bi tri sat cv sun off... This set up looking wrong??

**baseline_9** · 02-02-2011, 09:15 AM

It would be much better if you could pair up smaller muscle groups with larger ones rather than larger ones with large ones

Like chest and tri rather than chest and back

You should try a simple four day split with cardio after ur weight sessions

And some Fasted LIC up to 6 days a week in the mornings when you wake up

**bezzy** · 02-02-2011, 02:21 PM

I yewst to do chest and tri back and bi but found a arni workout frpm years ago suppersetting chest with that so decided to give it a try...

**M302_Imola** · 02-03-2011, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by bezzy

Cheets m3 mone woul be 136 at 70... Seems too easy tho??? at 175 for 40 mins gets me sweting and burning 400 caleries am i taking the wron aproach?? Allsk baseline my workouts are mon chest back tues cv wed shoulder and legs thurs cv fri bi tri sat cv sun off... This set up looking wrong??

Just because your heart isn't pounding out of your chest or your not sweating your ass off doesn't mean the body isn't burning fat. Me personally I wouldn't go above 75% MHR during cardio when trying to burn fat unless your doing HIIT cardio. You should google "LISS" (low intensity steady state) cardio. You want to perform LISS when glycogen (carb storage) levels are low or depleted...prime times for this is first thing in the morning or right after lifting weights. Baseline_9 had some good info for you. Also, what are you using to track your heart rate? If you are relying on the cardio equipment most of those machines are off...try buying a heart rate monitor, Polar makes good stuff.

**bezzy** · 02-03-2011, 07:03 AM

im useing a heart monitor by dunlop seems quite good, straps around the chest. allso sorry about some off the posts im useing ipod and dont realise my spelling mistake sometimes..im finding it hard to understand why 75% would be better than 85% i thought harder you work better results you get... im sure your right and know lot more than me somthing i am going to have to read up on i think.

**bezzy** · 02-03-2011, 07:05 AM

Whats lic??? tried to google it but insurance comes up lol

***D7M*** · 02-03-2011, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by bezzy

Whats lic??? tried to google it but insurance comes up lol

LISS=Low Intensity Steady State (Cardio)

**bezzy** · 02-03-2011, 07:17 AM

http://www.exercisegoals.com/heart-rate-training.html

their we go the exact reason why not to go over 70% cheers m3.. bit disapointed with myself now ...****! what a waste of months

**bezzy** · 02-03-2011, 08:33 AM

nice spud gun by the way baseline just come accross a log of yours in a chalenge section.

**M302_Imola** · 02-03-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by bezzy

http://www.exercisegoals.com/heart-rate-training.html

their we go the exact reason why not to go over 70% cheers m3.. bit disapointed with myself now ...****! what a waste of months

No prob bro...body building is all trial and error plus we live and learn. Just think of all the fat your going to drop now. Good luck!