First cycle advice

[smashingbox]

Hey guys,

Quick intro with my stats:
Age:26, Weight 175lbs, Height 5'10", Lifting for 3 years.

Intro post with pics: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ng-muscle-mass

I am planning my first cycle and would like some input. I don't plan to start for at least another 3-6 months, and want to make sure I have a well though out plan to execute before starting.

My plans are for an 8-10 week Test Prop cycle. I was thinking of pinning every day, starting with 0.3ml (420mg/week) for 2 weeks, then 0.35ml for two weeks (490mg/week), and then finally 0.38ml per day for the final 4-6 weeks (525mg/week). My reasons for choosing Test Prop are that I want lean gains, not to blow up (i.e. not *too* obvious), not looking to get huge, short acting suits me because if I need to stop quickly I can, I beleive test prop will have less water retention than d-bol/test-E/Cyp etc.

I was also impressed with results like these:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...gress-PICTURES
and
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...520-Prop-Cycle

When it comes to steroids I am a newb, not looking to get flamed on here, just trying to get some good advice. I am open to suggestions on how to improve this cycle, and even suggestions on other compounds I might want to use in place of test-p.

I have found a realiable source, however I have been given what sounds like fairly dubious advice. This guy has done 6 cycles, he is a big unit and moves in bodybuilding circles, so I do trust his opinion but was surprised by some of what he said. I told him I wanted to have nolva and hcg on hand in case of sides, and I also asked him about PCT. He told me:

a) I won't get gyno on my first cycle, so not to be too concerned with having clomid/nolva on hand.
b) I won't really need PCT on my first cycle, my body should just kick back into gear naturally after an 8 week cycle.
c) Recommended that the most I need for PCT is two shots of hcg, I beleive he recommended 2500ui per shot 3 days apart, first shot to coincide with when the test-p clears.
d) Test Prop is not commonly used, it can come with water retention, make you blow up quickly because it is short ester.

I am very much a beginner with steroids, but I have read enough on here to know that the above info flies in the face of much of the advice given here. Could someone please suggest a PCT protocol that will be safe but with keeping costs in mind (i.e. not over the top)? I have considered the prospect of taking hcg throughout the cycle, but it would be expensive (US$150 per 5000iu) and to be honest the prospect of having another 2-3 shots per week doesn't really turn me on.

Thanks,

Scott

[auslifta]

Don't listen to that bloke, you should do a PCT. Run hcg throughout cycle, maybe an AI too. I think you should run the nolva/clomid PCT without the hcg , Keep working on getting your BF% down, and try to put on a bit more muscle, just up your cardio post workout to around 5 times a week, half hour low intencity.

[shiz1231]

what he said^, lol just because he didnt get gyno doesnt mean you will, lol at recommendation of no pct, no wonder so many people fail with cycles since this is what alot of guys most likely tell them

[smashingbox]

Thanks guys.

Yeah look this guy is well more experienced than me, so I was hardly going to correct him, I did ask some questions but he was adament in his opinion so I quietly nodded and thought about what to ask here.

So hcg throughout, like 200ui 2-3 times per week? Is it an intra-muscular injection as well, or into a vein? Can I mix with the test and inject at the same time?

What AI should I run throughout cycle with hcg, and what dosage?

Should I start nolva/clomid straight up the week after stopping test-p injections? What dosages? Should I keep up with the hcg after cycle, or stop when I stop test injections?

Oh and regarding bf% I am not too concerned... I have spent most of the past 3 years trying to put it on, I was hardcore ecto but just recently managed to gain some fat after going on a mad bulking cycle, just looking to make some good gains now without too much more fat, then cut back after seeing what I keep from a cycle.

[jimmyinkedup]

So this is what im thinking:
1-Disregard all of what u were told.
2-Cut or do a prime pre cycle - you wont be sorry you did.
3- Do a 10 week test e or c cycle (bloat etc will depend more on diet - the test p bloat info he told you is bs) You will like the 2x/week injection alot more
4-do 500mgs/week all cycle - dont taper dosages.
5- have an ai like armidex on hand - aslo have all pct items before u start cycle.
6- do a standard clomid/nolva pct staring 2 weeks post last injection.
7- HCG read up on it...your call...low dose 2x/week injection on cycle - run it up to pct IMO but not throughout pct
8- Read some first cycle threads
Best of luck to you....

[smashingbox]

Thanks for the input so far guys.

So I am considering Test Cyp or E over the Prop. I am also considering the hcg shots through cycle, and will have arimidex on hand for potential sides.

Questions:

Is the pct nolva/clomid neccessary if using hcg throughout?

Can I inject the hcg with the test, or do they need to be done seperately, is hcg intramuscular?

What is a prime pre-cycle?

Would it be worth running the AI throughout cycle to reduce bloat? What possible negatives are there to running it like that?

I am also going to try using DAA post cycle, there has been a good study done recently to show that it boosts natural test production by up to 33%, with increases seen within days of supplementation... I can provide link to study if anyone else is interested. Has anyone here tried it?

Thanks again

[D7M]

Thanks for the input so far guys.

So I am considering Test Cyp or E over the Prop.Long esters (cyp or enth) are usually recommended for first cycles, as they require less pinning


I am also considering the hcg shots through cycle, and will have arimidex on hand for potential sides. Good.

Questions:

Is the pct nolva/clomid neccessary if using hcg throughout? Yes.

Can I inject the hcg with the test, or do they need to be done seperately, is hcg intramuscular? Yes you can inject them together. HCG can be taken IM or SubQ

What is a prime pre-cycle? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g..&highlight=

Would it be worth running the AI throughout cycle to reduce bloat? What possible negatives are there to running it like that?

I am also going to try using DAA post cycle, there has been a good study done recently to show that it boosts natural test production by up to 33%, with increases seen within days of supplementation... I can provide link to study if anyone else is interested. Has anyone here tried it? Never tried it. Post up the study though!

Thanks again

^Bolds above.

[scotty51312]

if you're really looking to lean out have you considered running a CKD diet on this cycle?

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Evidence for DAA to increase natty test production
Several studies in rats and even frogs:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...b&searchtype=a

http://www.fasebj.org/content/14/5/699.abstract

In humans:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19860889