Please Help! Starting First Steroid Cycle! Test or no Test?

[thegunshow2]

I'm about to start my first steroid cycle and from all of the research done and advice I have gotten I have decided to go with Dbol. My dilemma is whether or not to stack it with testosterone....I know many people would say yes, definitely, but some have told me that being only 20 years old my testosterone levels are flying high and just Dbol alone would produce great results, thus no need for adding testosterone...also, I was considering adding winstrol to the cycle to cut down some of the water weight/fat at towards the end of the cycle...is this a good idea? ANY and ALL advice is greatly appreciated and feel free to fill me in on any information I should know and/or what I can expect from a 6 week cycle of dbol. Here are my stats to help you out a little..

Age: 20 Height: 5''11 Weight: 175 Body Fat: approx. 15%
Training: approx 2 years ~highly active male involved in competetive sports.

Thanks a million!

[HyPeRtRoPhIc]

im in no position to give advice, but from what ive seen most ppl are going to tell you that at your age to just wait

[JohnnyVegas]

You will be told you are too young. Just in case you don't listen, the cycle you propose is bad. Do more research, including the problems young men can have when doing these drugs.

[Noles12]

At your age with your stats you should not be resorting to steroids. They will do more harm than good.

The best thing you could do right now is work on your diet and training for the next few years

[HyPeRtRoPhIc]

^^^ agreed

[marcus300]

At your age with your stats you should not be resorting to steroids. They will do more harm than good.

The best thing you could do right now is work on your diet and training for the next few years

Nice to see you back around noles,
I agree with the above you need to work on a foundation over the next few years, you are also to young it can cause you problems so be educated about it and head over to the diet section,

[BuffBuffalo]

I agree. You're too young, obviously haven't researched the compounds enough, and your b/f is a bit too high IMO....that being said IF you decide to do a cycle right now anyway go with a simple test only cycle. Dbol only is notoriously know around here for being the newb cycle. Lots of water weight while on and minimal retention of gains once off. Just hang around and browse the forums for awhile man. You'll be surprised how much you can learn just reading.

[thegunshow2]

At your age with your stats you should not be resorting to steroids. They will do more harm than good.

The best thing you could do right now is work on your diet and training for the next few years

thanks for the reply but could you please clarify exactly how they will do more harm than good? I have pretty much finalized the decision to try one cycle so please give me any advice besides wait until im older! haha thanks

[GymHero]

thanks for the reply but could you please clarify exactly how they will do more harm than good? I have pretty much finalized the decision to try one cycle so please give me any advice besides wait until im older! haha thanks

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

" Posted by Marcus in the educational threads "

[GymHero]

Take a minute and read this also.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...T-use-AAS-imho....

[Bulkn]

You will get better results with a good diet than with Dbol.

[fukngruvn]

I hope this post isn't for real but if it is OP please stay away from all steroids! You are too Young to begin with and clearly have not done enough research. All You need to do for now is work out hard and eat right. If you. Want you can post in the diet sectiin for chances at the best possible results!

[RaZr]

My dilemma is whether or not to stack it with testosterone....I know many people would say yes, definitely, but some have told me that being only 20 years old my testosterone levels are flying high and just Dbol alone would produce great results, thus no need for adding testosterone...

Whoever said you dont need test is pretty uneducated, just because your young dbol still shuts you down and then no test.

[Honkey_Kong]

OP, I'm not going to tell you not to because of your age persay. The fact is, it's your body and your life. You probably should do quite a bit more research on your first cycle (dbol solo isn't a good idea regardless of experience). At 5'11 175lbs with 15%BF you have quite a bit of work you should do naturally before you should even consider using steroids. You can lose a few pounds of fat and gain a few pounds of muscle naturally (and you probably should).

But don't take my word for it. Take the advice of the 40+ year old guys on this forum.

[Addictive]

Are You trying to stack 2 orals?
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No, good night sweet princess liver.

[SomeRandomGuy]

Another Dbol only post.

After you ruin your HPTA for life and find out that Dbol only cycles are a joke, what are you gonna do then? Dbol gains don't last, and you can't take it very long without ruining your liver. Why be superman for a month and then shrink back down to worse than you were before, possibly for life?

Maybe when you're 25+ you should think about 500mg Test E/wk and nothing else.

[Tigershark]

Too young. I would explain further but frankly my head hurts from trying to when someone your age wants to use.

[ScotchGuard02]

Eat well and train hard.

[thegunshow2]

guys, thanks for the advice but once again....i have made the decision to try this ONE cycle and see what happens....I think many of you are underestimating my knowledge and the amount of research I have done but that is in part my own fault for making such a vague post. I know all the dangers and possible side effects and although I can definitely still use some help I know the importance and how to run PCT. Okay, let me be more clear and please just pretend I am a 25 year old and tell me anything you think I may need to know or change anything you think I should. Here's my full cycle plan without amounts (open for advice):

-6 weeks d-bol (probably around 25-30 mg ED)

-12 weeks Test (injectible.....no i am not stupid enough to stack two orals and ruin my liver)

-Arimidex on hand just in case

-Nolvadex & Clomid for 4 weeks of PCT.

*PLEASE* give me more advice other than don't do it because i'm too young....if anything goes wrong with this cycle or what not I will probably never do steroids again so any and all advice I can get this one time around really is appreciated! Thanks guys

[marcus300]

I'm sorry but I am unable to give you the advice you are wanting to hear, all because your going to do it anyway doesn't change the correct advice for someone with your stats, maybe someone who will change their moral stand on the subject will do but for me I will not be giving someone with your stats advice if I personally think it is wrong, best of luck

[RaZr]

How about taking their advice? I mean I'm sure all the pros on here probably know a little about this...

[Honkey_Kong]

guys, thanks for the advice but once again....i have made the decision to try this ONE cycle and see what happens....I think many of you are underestimating my knowledge and the amount of research I have done but that is in part my own fault for making such a vague post. I know all the dangers and possible side effects and although I can definitely still use some help I know the importance and how to run PCT. Okay, let me be more clear and please just pretend I am a 25 year old and tell me anything you think I may need to know or change anything you think I should. Here's my full cycle plan without amounts (open for advice):

-6 weeks d-bol (probably around 25-30 mg ED)

-12 weeks Test (injectible.....no i am not stupid enough to stack two orals and ruin my liver)

-Arimidex on hand just in case

-Nolvadex & Clomid for 4 weeks of PCT.

*PLEASE* give me more advice other than don't do it because i'm too young....if anything goes wrong with this cycle or what not I will probably never do steroids again so any and all advice I can get this one time around really is appreciated! Thanks guys

Uhh you are aware that injectable test doesn't protect you from the possible liver damage when you stack it with dbol right? Look kid, I tell you what, why don't you tell your old man what your brilliant plan is and see what he says. You probably should listen to what people in here have to say (some of them know quite a bit more than you do), but if you don't then whatever. Just don't cry about it when you **** yourself up.

[Honkey_Kong]

guys, thanks for the advice but once again....i have made the decision to try this ONE cycle and see what happens....I think many of you are underestimating my knowledge and the amount of research I have done but that is in part my own fault for making such a vague post. I know all the dangers and possible side effects and although I can definitely still use some help I know the importance and how to run PCT. Okay, let me be more clear and please just pretend I am a 25 year old and tell me anything you think I may need to know or change anything you think I should. Here's my full cycle plan without amounts (open for advice):

-6 weeks d-bol (probably around 25-30 mg ED)

-12 weeks Test (injectible.....no i am not stupid enough to stack two orals and ruin my liver)

-Arimidex on hand just in case

-Nolvadex & Clomid for 4 weeks of PCT.

*PLEASE* give me more advice other than don't do it because i'm too young....if anything goes wrong with this cycle or what not I will probably never do steroids again so any and all advice I can get this one time around really is appreciated! Thanks guys

Uhh you are aware that injectable test doesn't protect you from the possible liver damage when you stack it with dbol right? Look kid, I tell you what, why don't you tell your old man what your brilliant plan is and see what he says. You probably should listen to what people in here have to say (some of them know quite a bit more than you do), but if you don't then whatever. Just don't cry about it when you **** yourself up.

[thegunshow2]

honkey kong, for one I didnt claim to know more than anyone here and i definitely will listen to what they have to say when I hear some actual advice besides "dont do them you're too young"...and another, I also didnt claim to have any "brilliant plan"..hence the fact i'm here looking for help and advice brainiack! I don't know what it's like where you live but where I'm from pretty much everyone I know who does steroids did their first cycle way before 25. And yes, I obviously know that injectible test doesnt protect me from liver damage but it's a hell of a lot safer than doing two orals. next time don't waste your time in making a pointless post like this one.....at least marcus300 was respectful when he denied me.