First cycle (Test e and Dbol)

[little_dude]

Hey guys, after researching AAS for over two years now i have decided to finally do my first cycle. Please give me some feedback as to if everything is ok.

Stats:
Age: 22
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'9
BF: 15-20%
Training: 4 years

Cycle:
Dosage Weeks
Test e - 250mg/week - 1-12
Dbol - 30mg/day - 1-4
Nolva - 20mg/EOD (done throughtout cycle once gyno starts)
PCT:
Clomid- 100/100/50/50 (starts 2 weeks after last Test shot)

Are there any problems you can see with this cycle?
I would like to gain some serious mass then lower my body fat before summer. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

[MBMETC]

in all your research did you come across any info pertaining to the damage steroids can do to your still developing endocrine system?
research more and hold off a couple more years.
in the meantime diet and cardio will get you what you are looking for.

[POPS]

Hey guys, after researching AAS for over two years now i have decided to finally do my first cycle. Please give me some feedback as to if everything is ok.

Stats:
Age: 22
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'9
BF: 15-20%
Training: 4 years

Cycle:
Dosage Weeks
Test e - 250mg/week - 1-12
Dbol - 30mg/day - 1-4
Nolva - 20mg/EOD (done throughtout cycle once gyno starts)
PCT:
Clomid- 100/100/50/50 (starts 2 weeks after last Test shot)

Are there any problems you can see with this cycle?
I would like to gain some serious mass then lower my body fat before summer. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

welcome!

Im no pro but Ill give you my .02.

First you a bit too young, but not by much. Second, you should get that bf below 15% otherwise your more acceptable to sides.

However, I will comment on your attitude coming here AFTER researching for longer than a few months. Glad to see someone serious about asking the right questions.

Sorry I cannot be much help but rest assure, an experienced member will be here shortly...

[little_dude]

in all your research did you come across any info pertaining to the damage steroids can do to your still developing endocrine system?
research more and hold off a couple more years.
in the meantime diet and cardio will get you what you are looking for.

I know that I am still young to be doing it as they say wait until 25 to be safe but i have grown in years. I know that I am done growing, and I am already the tallest in my family (am asian so being short was expected). but I know many have stated that with a good PCT I should be fine. So do you think that the cycle has any flaws?

[little_dude]

Thanks POPS, I agree about the BF (am still working on it), yeah am not gunna half ass it, if im going to do a cycle i'm going to do my best to get the most out of it.

[10nispro]

It looks like you have made up your mine, so here's my suggestions, which some have discussed already. Get your diet straight(go to diet section and find one that looks like it will fit your goals). Did you mean 250mg/test once per week or twice per week? I dont see the need to do dbol at this point, being its your first cycle. If you have reactions or side effects you want know which chemical is the cause. Save the dbol for next cycle. See how your body reacts to just test first. I will say you are on the cusp of being to young so make your decision count, being, you could be on trt early in life.

[Fetch]

It's not just your height, broseph. Your endocrine system regulates your hormones, and is in development until an average of 24-25 Years Old. Taking steroids before it is done developing dramatically increases the chances that you will do permanent, irreversible damage to your natural production. This in turn will impact your physical gains, sex drive, ability to maintain an erection, and emotional well being down the road. That is quite a negative.

If you are intent on doing it anyway... your cycle could use a little tuning. I would do 500Mg/Week split up into two shots. 250 is too little. Some people would caution you to leave the DBol out for your first cycle, but I always had great results with it. Save your Nolva for your PCT. You should be running Nolva and Clomid for PCT. I'd get some Arimidex on hand in case estrogen related signs occur. Also, get your body fat checked accurately. You should be below 15% before you start, which shouldn't take too much work if you are hovering near there.

[MBMETC]

it's not just your height, broseph. Your endocrine system regulates your hormones, and is in development until an average of 24-25 years old. Taking steroids before it is done developing dramatically increases the chances that you will do permanent, irreversible damage to your natural production. This in turn will impact your physical gains, sex drive, ability to maintain an erection, and emotional well being down the road. That is quite a negative.

^^^this
if you are intent on doing it anyway... Your cycle could use a little tuning. I would do 500mg/week split up into two shots. 250 is too little. Some people would caution you to leave the dbol out for your first cycle, but i always had great results with it. Save your nolva for your pct. You should be running nolva and clomid for pct. I'd get some arimidex on hand in case estrogen related signs occur. Also, get your body fat checked accurately. You should be below 15% before you start, which shouldn't take too much work if you are hovering near there.

^^^not this i still say too young

[little_dude]

HI guys, thanks for the replies. No, its only one shot of 250mg per week. I wanted to see how my body reacts to jus 250mg/week first. Plus I've seen alot of cases where people have had good gains from just 250 mg per week. I hear what your saying about the Dbol 10nispro but I wanted it for a kickstart, as I know the test wont kick in until atleast 4 weeks.

[Fetch]

^^^not this i still say too young

-shrug- He's going to hurt himself either way. He has just information to do it. I see no harm in trying to help.

[MBMETC]

-shrug- He's going to hurt himself either way. He has just information to do it. I see no harm in trying to help.

only if the help doesn't cause him harm

[Fetch]

By suggesting a better PCT, an appropriate on cycle estrogen blocker, and proper dosing? Don't see how that will harm him more than running a half assed cycle with incomplete PCT.

[bdzemske]

It's not just your height, broseph. Your endocrine system regulates your hormones, and is in development until an average of 24-25 Years Old. Taking steroids before it is done developing dramatically increases the chances that you will do permanent, irreversible damage to your natural production. This in turn will impact your physical gains, sex drive, ability to maintain an erection, and emotional well being down the road. That is quite a negative.

If you are intent on doing it anyway... your cycle could use a little tuning. I would do 500Mg/Week split up into two shots. 250 is too little. Some people would caution you to leave the DBol out for your first cycle, but I always had great results with it. Save your Nolva for your PCT. You should be running Nolva and Clomid for PCT. I'd get some Arimidex on hand in case estrogen related signs occur. Also, get your body fat checked accurately. You should be below 15% before you start, which shouldn't take too much work if you are hovering near there.

X2 here i would say the exact same thing...just got of a test/dbol cycle. 500 per week is def something you should do.

[little_dude]

what where your gains like if i may ask?

[riflemancho]

I have few friends, who used AAS before 25, none of them have a shit problem, everyone is okay, some of them soon are going to make second cycle, i don't say that is right, but ppl here say like you are going to die if you use steroids before 25.. lol you won't get any of the problems listed..if you do pct, normal dosages and eat right..

[sxxen]

I know that I am done growing, and I am already the tallest in my family (am asian so being short was expected).

I really hate it when I read something like this. You're short because as a child you didn't have the right nutrition. It has nothing to do with being 'asian'.

[little_dude]

I really hate it when I read something like this. You're short because as a child you didn't have the right nutrition. It has nothing to do with being 'asian'.

(my friend was the OP originally) OK so the rest of my family who are short including cousins etc (atleast 70% of them) is due to them not getting the right nutrition as a child, yeah right. Now am not saying that nutrition isnt important to growth because it obviously is, but your comment is retarded. By your logic everyone should be able to hit 6 foot given that they eat right. Genetics play a massive part in growth saying otherwise is plain stupid.

and with regards to the asian thing, my point still has validity. are you saying that its purely just a coincidence that the average height of asains is lower than the average height of say caucasion americans or africans.

[little_dude]

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