Tbol only?

**bc2k11** · 02-03-2011, 07:04 PM

Hi am new to the forum so bear with me.

Stats:
I am 21 years old,
5ft 6inch,
155lbs not sure about bf but can see all my abs?

Cycle experience:
I have run an anavar only cycle at 50mg pd for 5 weeks.
I ran an anavar 20mg pd and halotestin for 20mg per day. (halo was for the days i would fight mma so used as an aggression booster. I wouldnt touch this stuff again because off i like my liver!!)
I did pct with Clomid (again i would like to run hcg with cycle but cant inject...)

I am now wanting to do a Tbol only cycle 40mg pd for 6 weeks. any suggestions on dose, length, other orals i could safely stack with? although iv used anavar it is quite expensive?
My diet is Clean and i eat about 2500cals pd off gear and 3500-4000 calls on gear, I would like to gain some good quality muscle that i can keep.

Would appreciate the advice

**Bertuzzi** · 02-03-2011, 10:51 PM

IMO, at your age.... you should just focus on that 3500 - 4000cal diet year round and pack some weight on naturally for the next 3 or 4 years. Then you'll be 20+ pounds heavier and old enough to look at cycling. You're just too young, the risks of shutting yourself down at your age are just not worth the gains of any AAS, especially the limited gains of oral only.

Good Luck

**Tigershark** · 02-04-2011, 12:14 AM

Firstly thank you for your service.
Secondly you are way too young to be doing AAS.

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 02:56 AM

Thanks, how old should you be to cycle? whats the danger on short cycles such as Tbol only at 40mg??

I only started dabbling AAS because Iv been lifting hard since i was 15 and never got more muscle than I have now. i alwase eat clean and train properly? so i dunno whats up? I also tend to put on fat quite easily so when i do gain muscle alwase comes with fat, then when i try upping cardio (boxing, sprints, MMA) the hard earned muscles melts off?
Appreciate the advice

**turncoat** · 02-04-2011, 03:12 AM

Eat more clean foods. Whats your diet look like? If I was you I wouldnt start AAS untill I was 85kg lean.

**Noles12** · 02-04-2011, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by bc2k11

Thanks, how old should you be to cycle? whats the danger on short cycles such as Tbol only at 40mg??

I only started dabbling AAS because Iv been lifting hard since i was 15 and never got more muscle than I have now. i alwase eat clean and train properly? so i dunno whats up? I also tend to put on fat quite easily so when i do gain muscle alwase comes with fat, then when i try upping cardio (boxing, sprints, MMA) the hard earned muscles melts off?
Appreciate the advice

If within 6 years of working out you are only 155 pounds then i find it hard to believe you have your diet in training in check.

There are many reasons why you shouldnt cycle, age being one of the most important, but coming in close behind that is what i just mentioned. Even if you were 30 with those stats you shouldnt cycle.

Spend some time here, post your diet in the diet forum. From there many guys can help you to put on some weight. It would also be a good idea to head to the training section and get your training fixed too. But at this point diet is key and i guarantee you that yours could use some work

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 06:07 AM

an average day looks like this...

9am- 50g oats 1scoop protein shake
12pm- chicken breast, slice of toast, may be an apple
3pm- some oats for pre training, with maybe a banana.
4.30- Train (hard for 60mins or less, heavy compound lifts)
5:30- protien shake, blended with skimmed milk, a banana, honey and maybe some more oats (all blended in one shake) or il just have a chicken breast on toast with fruit as a side.
8pm- lean meat, may be mince with smallish portion of starch such as pasta or rice.
11pm- another shake, or some nuts and seeds and some gammon or other cold meat.

**Pac Man** · 02-04-2011, 07:17 AM

Firstly, Sorry to hear about your injury. I know how it is all too well.
SecondLy, you need to eat more and probably change your lifting routine.
I wasn't able to pack on mass naturally until 5 was about 22 or 23.
Give it a few years with out ass and just keep reading and learning. That way when you are ready you will have all the knowledge you need.
And as for injections, meet some like minded people that will inject for you.
good luck bro

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 07:36 AM

Thanks, I got away quite lightly compared to some... about aas: will the fact that iv done 2 cycles before make a difference to my natrual potential. iv been cautiouse with them, never drink, alwase pct? but thats what makes me think ''well iv done it twice now so y stop now''. is that a dumbass thing to say or will i be natrually back to my normal hormonal balance

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 07:45 AM

also what kind of lifting would you suggest i do? bearing in mind that i would like to also be functiona,l as i still do BJJ and when i just lift i get tired easily?

**Noles12** · 02-04-2011, 10:23 AM

I am not trying to be a d!ck about this but you say you have no use of your right hand so you cant inject but you still workout and participate in BJJ?

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 10:34 AM

i am limited. i can mainly do push movements as dont need grip, as far as pull movements iv had to adjust. Bjj is more difficult but i know people who are much worse off than me who do it so no reason i cant?
anyne got any advice for my original post?

**cro** · 02-04-2011, 11:12 AM

did you do any research before you did your first cycle?

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 11:18 AM

yer quite abit. I had a mate, who was giving me advice aswell. I chose Anavar because of the low sides and keepable gains etc, made me feel low tho? and anavar and halo which was before an MMA fight. that wasnt a great cycle. soon after i got injured so pulled out of the fight, so switched to training strength and size and put on around 11lbs and kept about 9lbs. can anyone answer my abouve questions please?

**cro** · 02-04-2011, 11:28 AM

when you say halo do you mean h-drol?

Originally Posted by bc2k11

yer quite abit. I had a mate, who was giving me advice aswell. I chose Anavar because of the low sides and keepable gains etc, made me feel low tho? and anavar and halo which was before an MMA fight. that wasnt a great cycle. soon after i got injured so pulled out of the fight, so switched to training strength and size and put on around 11lbs and kept about 9lbs. can anyone answer my abouve questions please?

**Noles12** · 02-04-2011, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by bc2k11

yer quite abit. I had a mate, who was giving me advice aswell. I chose Anavar because of the low sides and keepable gains etc, made me feel low tho? and anavar and halo which was before an MMA fight. that wasnt a great cycle. soon after i got injured so pulled out of the fight, so switched to training strength and size and put on around 11lbs and kept about 9lbs. can anyone answer my abouve questions please?

Your original post has been answered. You are too young and your stats show you arent ready for AAS.

Are you just hoping one person will say its ok? You have multiple saying its not good but you keep asking as if it only takes one ok to do it

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by cro

when you say halo do you mean h-drol?

no I mean halotestin .

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Your original post has been answered. You are too young and your stats show you arent ready for AAS.

Are you just hoping one person will say its ok? You have multiple saying its not good but you keep asking as if it only takes one ok to do it

i am just gathering a few opinions i thought thats what this forum was for. nothing but anomosity from you tho? dunno what ur chip is but no need tro bite me?

**Noles12** · 02-04-2011, 02:42 PM

Im giving you the best advice possible at your age and stats. If you notice no one else is chiming in and saying you should do it because there is no knowledgeable person here that feels you should. But you keep asking because of ignorance and not getting the answer you want to hear

**bc2k11** · 02-04-2011, 02:49 PM

I appreciate the advice Noles12, i have taken it too, and am not goin to run any more cycles and see how i feel in 2 years of hard training. however my question was asking if the small cycles i did before will have affected my natrual test levels in a negative way. and would running some clomid again help (as i know men use it as a fertility drug to raise test levels), or are there any natrual test boosters that i can take to get back to my natrual potential that actually work? tried tribulus but didnt do squat!

**Noles12** · 02-04-2011, 02:56 PM

I think your best bet now is to see a doc and get bloodwork. It may not be yourr test levels giving you troubles but no one can know without numbers from bloodwork

**Ernst** · 02-04-2011, 02:56 PM

Your diet is a little short on food for someone who wants to gain and keep it. I'd start there for now.

It's hard to gauge workout advice not being able o see just what you can and can't do. Do you incorporate wrist hooks or straps or the like? Do you have a buddy on hand to help out?

You've gotten some good advice in this thread.

**bc2k11** · 02-05-2011, 11:10 AM

my workout prograp currently is this:

Push days:
d, bell bench 4x6 90kgs
dbel incln bench 4x6 90kgs
shouler press 4x6 50kgs
Lat raise 2x10
tricep push downs 4x8-10 (on cable machine)

Pull days:
Pull up, wide grip 3x8 with 10kg weight
Pull up close grip 3x8 with 10kg weight
Bent over row 3x10 cable
Shrugs 4x10 70 kg(35,35kg)
bicep curl 3x8 22kgs
preacher curl 3x10 18

Cant work legs as have an injury.

alternate those two workouts doin thre weight sessions a week, and train more cardio type stuff on the other two days, so all in all i train 5 days a week.

**jBuda** · 02-08-2011, 05:50 PM

hey man love tbol with all my heart, best all around drug on the market in my mind most will say its to week but iv only ever needed a little help here and there id say if you do it do 60mg a day... 30mg in the morning and 30mg at night i found it to be very nice i gained about 17 pounds or so on it in like a month the first time and became hard as a rock and strength was amazing... but i was 18 at the time but was 225ish 5'11" before the cycle and training like a beast if i had to go back id not do it man im now 255 and did it all natural.... get your food right and learn your body and training and a good prework-out to get you amped and it will take you farther then any drug will... but if your going to do it you picked the right drug... i cant talk im about to start tren cycle hear man first real aas cycle and im 21 so do as you will with what i say...