Starting out please help?

[Dkny]

This will be my first cycle and here is where it stands:

Test 400 400mg/week for 10 weeks

Anavar 5-10mg/day for first 4 weeks; cycle 4 weeks off; and finish with 4 weeks again.

nolvadex 10mg/perday

hgc 2x250iu/week


Now for my Pct I plan on using Clomid as so:



Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg

still continuing to take nolvadex for a week 4.

25
210lb
13-14%bf
6'1

any comments or help from anyone? does it look right to you guys? i know im going to have to experiment abit on my own, too know whats best for me.... but what you guys think?

[Dkny]

noles you seem to give everyone good advise mind helping me out bro?

[RaZr]

Your anavar dosage will not do anything for you

[Dkny]

oh im sorry i ment to write there 30-40 mg a day there

[RaZr]

Still pretty low for that short of a time period, Anavar takes a little while to kick in and takes around 60-80 mg to give decent results. its usually ran for 6-10 weeks from my research and even tho it is oral its more mild on the liver so can be ran for that duration as long as you use some liver protections

[Dkny]

alright man thnx for the help i was thinking a little bit of milk thistle for the liver

[Ernst]

First cycle? Not a bad proposition, really.

Test only, 200mg/2x wk sounds like a great plan. I say drop the var and spend that $ on some nice steaks. Run the hcg up to pct, but not through it. You may consider slightly more frequent hcg injects to keep things more stable, but if you were just looking to include it in your test shots I understand. AI on hand (nolva if you can't get that), don't use until you need to. Pct begins 18 days after last inject with cyp. I'd just do 50mg clomi/20mg nolva for 4 weeks personally, but whatever you choose to do there is no need for 300mg that first day.

[Dkny]

thnx man for the info but the test will be one shot a week since its 400mg/ml its a sustanone. mixture of test. thanks man

[Ernst]

Sust is one of those things there's been quite a bit of disagreement on how frequent shots should be. Of course there is no actual sustanon @ 400 I've seen. What is the exact blend? That could help us advise you a little better on what a good shot frequency might be.

[Dkny]

it consists of test prop, cyp, and enth its really is 400mg/ml it might be very hard to believe but it is.... and this stuff is for real.... i know because all the body builders in my gym are on it. Its very good according to everyone

[Dkny]

its not actually a sustanone its like one on the vial it sais Teston 400 400mg/ml .... but whats in it is prop, cyp, enth

[Ernst]

What are the concentrations? What I'm getting at here is that a more frequent injection schedule may be good. We can already see from the blend that you don't have to wait as long to begin pct. Real sust has 5 esters if I remember right, two of which are longer than what's in your "sust" blend.

[Ernst]

Prop is a short ester, usually shot ed or eod. Enth and cyp are almost identical, and are both recommended to be shot twice weekly. Already I'm thinking 2x weekly would be good, but depending on the level of prop it may even be a good idea to shoot more often than that.

Test levels being unstable can exacerbate side effects for some folks. Consistency is a good thing.

[Dkny]

you know what ill have to find out the exact numbers and msg you private thanks for all the help... I will find out more about it

[Dkny]

ErnstHatAngst quick question for you bud:

Buddy is beside me and he was wondering what if he would take anavar on its own heres his stats.... 6'0 190lb 8-9% bf... he just wants to take anavar on its own hes in good shape already ....he is looking for that lean strength gain.... and he happends to have anavar on hand.... how much would you say he should take daily and should he keep serms/ai or hcg on the side ?? whats you input this?

[Ernst]

Sorry, how old was your friend? We never want to recommend any AAS use to someone of an age where it could mess with their development. Your HPTA hasn't settled into it's adult patterns until like 24 years of age!

He could use var alone, but to be honest the stuff is pretty weak.... I've used var from a quality source and wasn't terribly impressed.

I won't be buying the stuff again, though some people love it and I'm willing to acknowledge that it has it's place (I can hear Marcus now: "Yeah, the women's locker room!" lol). Anything less than 60mg ed for 6 weeks shouldn't even be a consideration IMO, and given my experience with it I wouldn't even go that low with var alone. Anavar does not aromatize, so estrogenic sides should not be a concern. It can suppress natty test though, so that is worth keeping in mind. The mild nature of the drug and duration of use (typically never longer than 8 weeks) makes me think of hcg as more of a bonus rather than absolute necessity. Certainly wouldn't hurt, and it would help keep test levels in range. A pct would still be recommended.

Unless your buddy wants to remain in a weight class I'd probably suggest he look into something a little more potent for the $, but that's just me.

[Dkny]

What do you recomand for pct for this?

[Ernst]

Just a simple clomi 50/nolva 20 pct.

There is more than one school of thought on pct. If you want to see where I am coming from in regards to that, this thread by Swifto is worth a read!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dated-08-12-09)

[Dkny]

from what iv read anavar at doses from 30mg-100mg wouldnt completly shut down your hpta so would a pct that strong be nessessary or can you just simply keep hcg and nova on hand if needed?

[RaZr]

Why would you not want a strong PCT? Anavar can still shut you down and you should always have a strong PCT.

[Dkny]

alright thanks for help