First cycle, test deca questions?!

**ensonisdaman1** · 02-08-2011, 03:25 PM

okay bros, here is a sample cycle i got from the anabolics 2009 book. All I have is 10 ml bottle of deca250 and 10 ml bottle of test cyp 200. I could get more but it will be in about a month if needed. here is the cycle from anabolics 2009:

test/deca 200 mg each for 3 weeks

test/deca 300 mg each for 4 weeks

test/deca 200 mg each for 1 week

or my other option just run the :

250 and test 200 for 10 weeks? I havent noticed hardly anything right now and its been little over 2 weeks. I have heard all different theories on how much time it takes to kick in or see results. but so far not shit strenth or gain wise imo

So my question is bros. Of these 2 cycles. which is the better choice? this is all i have for now

Or should I up this shit to something like 400 mg and 250 deca a week and buy some more in a month and stay on for 12 weeks or so?

im 6'1 195 lbs, 12 percent 13 percent bodyfat. 24 years old. been training about 5 years and hit a wall in diet and gains are slow. first cycle

any advice is appreciated!

you are a true boss!!!!!!!

**PK-V** · 02-08-2011, 03:29 PM

top option if you can't get more

unless your sure you can get by the end of the month dont do the 400 mg and 250 deca a week

or just do the smart thing and wait it out until you got everything in hand

**ensonisdaman1** · 02-08-2011, 03:44 PM

I can def get more but it will be in one month. I was thinking run the 400 test and 250 deca for 10 weeks and just run test alone for the last couple

**Noles12** · 02-08-2011, 03:56 PM

Edit: Didnt see age originally

**38jumper38** · 02-08-2011, 04:06 PM

at 24 you should't do steroids .................

**ensonisdaman1** · 02-08-2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

at 24 you should't do steroids.................

well i already am. so i would like advice on my situation please. im thinking of just adding a shot of test to make it

400 test

250 deca a week

**Far from massive** · 02-08-2011, 05:37 PM

You really need to do a lot of reading before starting any cycle. While I could post up what is wrong and what you need to change, you would still be very ignorant on AAS and that's not a good thing. This is not meant as a flame, the use of AAS is very complex and the improper use of AAS can indeed be very dangerous and lead to irreversable health consquences.

Simply telling you what to change would be like if you said you had a funny car and you were going to make a pass this weekend in your shorts and tennis shoes. Sure I could tell you you need a fire suit and driving boots but you would still be very ill equipped to make a pass. The same holds true of AAS usage its simply not something where you can get a short set of instructions and take off running.

**ensonisdaman1** · 02-08-2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

You really need to do a lot of reading before starting any cycle. While I could post up what is wrong and what you need to change, you would still be very ignorant on AAS and that's not a good thing. This is not meant as a flame, the use of AAS is very complex and the improper use of AAS can indeed be very dangerous and lead to irreversable health consquences.

Simply telling you what to change would be like if you said you had a funny car and you were going to make a pass this weekend in your shorts and tennis shoes. Sure I could tell you you need a fire suit and driving boots but you would still be very ill equipped to make a pass. The same holds true of AAS usage its simply not something where you can get a short set of instructions and take off running.

give me a ****ing break. i have done plenty of reading on the subject. everyone is different you faggot tool. you dont even know what you are talking about. what are your credentials that make you so great other than being on a forum and making a lot of shitty posts

**** you

**scobbs** · 02-08-2011, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by ensonisdaman1

give me a ****ing break. i have done plenty of reading on the subject. everyone is different you faggot tool. you dont even know what you are talking about. what are your credentials that make you so great other than being on a forum and making a lot of shitty posts

**** you

hahahaha gd 4 u...i'm not an expert on test/deca so i cant give you any advice soz.
i do think its pretty hypocritical though to have a forum for the purpose of giving advice to users of juice then deny them the advice they need because of age, if they are on this forum they are most likely 100% going to cycle regardless what anyone says.
not advising them at all is going to fu**k them up more then telling them the right way

**Noles12** · 02-08-2011, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ensonisdaman1

give me a ****ing break. i have done plenty of reading on the subject. everyone is different you faggot tool. you dont even know what you are talking about. what are your credentials that make you so great other than being on a forum and making a lot of shitty posts

**** you

Please read the rules on flaming. It is not tolerated here.

Now then to your cycle. The cycle you have proposed is horrible and shows a lack of much time spent researching.

IMO a first cycle should be Test only. This is because if you run into side effects you know which compound they are coming from. Say you ran test and deca and started to experience gyno, you wouldnt know which is causing it so you wouldnt be able to take the proper action in reversing it.

Therefore i think Test at 300-500 mgs/week is best. You have to realize (if you had researched you would) that long estered test will take more than 2 weeks to start noticing strength gains.

What is your proposed PCT by thew way

**Noles12** · 02-08-2011, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by scobbs

hahahaha gd 4 u...i'm not an expert on test/deca so i cant give you any advice soz.
i do think its pretty hypocritical though to have a forum for the purpose of giving advice to users of juice then deny them the advice they need because of age, if they are on this forum they are most likely 100% going to cycle regardless what anyone says.
not advising them at all is going to fu**k them up more then telling them the right way

And to this you are so far off. Why would I give advise to someone that i feel is potentially dangerous. To make them feel better?

It like if a guy says what is the best way to kill myself and you say well he's gonna do it anyways so i might as well tell him how rather than convince him not to

**scobbs** · 02-08-2011, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

And to this you are so far off. Why would I give advise to someone that i feel is potentially dangerous. To make them feel better?

It like if a guy says what is the best way to kill myself and you say well he's gonna do it anyways so i might as well tell him how rather than convince him not to

your not making them feel better your correcting them possibly saving them from further damage.

ahha are you actually comparing using juice to suicide is this a joke ???

There are no forums/websites on Euthanasia in (AUs) not sure bout US, for that reason.

And I find it hard to believe you could convince anyone not to do juice on a forum regardless of how many posts/links to studies in the end they are most likely going to do it no matter what you say.

**Fetch** · 02-08-2011, 10:47 PM

Yes, they will. No reason why YOU should expect US to have someone's 'limp dick for life' on our conscience, though. You want help destroying your endocrine system? The information is out there. It's a courtesy that people even answer at all. "You are too young" is much better than an instant ban.
While I personally think 24 isn't too young, no way I'd give advice to someone who won't listen to it with an open mind. This forum is populated by very knowledgable members WHO ARE GIVING THEIR TIME AWAY FREELY. If someone gives you advice you don't like, thank them and wait. If nobody else gives you 'better' advice, maybe it wasn't bad. Don't flame someone because you don't like what they said. FFM happens to know what he's talking about. The OP clearly knows very little about steroid use based on his post. One should be much better educated before starting a cycle.

**Noles12** · 02-08-2011, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by scobbs

your not making them feel better your correcting them possibly saving them from further damage.

ahha are you actually comparing using juice to suicide is this a joke ???

There are no forums/websites on Euthanasia in (AUs) not sure bout US, for that reason.

And I find it hard to believe you could convince anyone not to do juice on a forum regardless of how many posts/links to studies in the end they are most likely going to do it no matter what you say.

Spemd time here and you will see some people listen to advice from others with experience. Many guys have decided to wait. It is ignorance and disregard for your own health to otherwise. Every forum i am apart of stresses the need to wait. There is science behind it. It can stunt your growth and have adverse effects on your development of the HPTA.

It can cause one to stop producing testosterone naturally therefore causing them to have to start TRT as young as 20 years old. I state these things from experience and accounts from others personal experience.

Since you know the drugs and the persons using thems body better than anyone else here why dont you show proof on why it is ok

**Noles12** · 02-08-2011, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Fetch

Yes, they will. No reason why YOU should expect US to have someone's 'limp dick for life' on our conscience, though. You want help destroying your endocrine system? The information is out there. It's a courtesy that people even answer at all. "You are too young" is much better than an instant ban.
While I personally think 24 isn't too young, no way I'd give advice to someone who won't listen to it with an open mind. This forum is populated by very knowledgable members WHO ARE GIVING THEIR TIME AWAY FREELY. If someone gives you advice you don't like, thank them and wait. If nobody else gives you 'better' advice, maybe it wasn't bad. Don't flame someone because you don't like what they said. FFM happens to know what he's talking about. The OP clearly knows very little about steroid use based on his post. One should be much better educated before starting a cycle.

I completely agree with this post. As i said i think 24 is fine to start but younger than that is not.

And it goes to show you can think advice is bad but as Fetch has said if everyone is saying the same thing then maybe it isnt really bad advice.

**scobbs** · 02-09-2011, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Spemd time here and you will see some people listen to advice from others with experience. Many guys have decided to wait. It is ignorance and disregard for your own health to otherwise. Every forum i am apart of stresses the need to wait. There is science behind it. It can stunt your growth and have adverse effects on your development of the HPTA.

It can cause one to stop producing testosterone naturally therefore causing them to have to start TRT as young as 20 years old. I state these things from experience and accounts from others personal experience.

Since you know the drugs and the persons using thems body better than anyone else here why dont you show proof on why it is ok

sorry i couldnt understand your last sentence up to " why dont you show proof on why it is ok" tell me in my posts where i have said it is okay first?

I ahve said it is pretty hypocritical not to advise juice users when they are going to use gear regardless thats all i never said it was ok to use or not to use did i?

**Noles12** · 02-09-2011, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by scobbs

sorry i couldnt understand your last sentence up to " why dont you show proof on why it is ok" tell me in my posts where i have said it is okay first?

I ahve said it is pretty hypocritical not to advise juice users when they are going to use gear regardless thats all i never said it was ok to use or not to use did i?

It would be hypocritical if i too were under the age that we deem is safe.

Now then since the OP is of age, i feel we should stop hijacking his thread and provide him with the advice he needs