Test E vs. Test Cyp first cycle

**vbiros** · 02-09-2011, 04:56 PM

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**carp123** · 02-09-2011, 05:22 PM

just to say its not all about your growth plate but about useing that lovely natural test your produceing ,why go and shut all that down when you can reap the benfits of getting the very best out of for a few more year then when the time is right to use aas you will have super results ? just a thing i thought i would post for you to think about .now for the test e vs test c ,there both near exact the same ther eis very little differance between the two (1 chemical atom and a 2 day ester release time) you can use both on cycle if you wish...

**vbiros** · 02-09-2011, 05:26 PM

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**smashingbox** · 02-09-2011, 07:26 PM

Run hcg through your entire cycle to stop any shut down?

**carp123** · 02-09-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by smashingbox

Run hcg through your entire cycle to stop any shut down?

nope hcg will not stop shut down .

**DaBullet** · 02-09-2011, 07:31 PM

Like carp said both are pretty much the same except that with test c u would have to wait 18 days before starting ur pct vs 14. You could run the cycle the same way except I would start the winny on week 7. Good luck but I agree with him saying ur a bit young. and

**smashingbox** · 02-09-2011, 07:37 PM

What? The advice I was given, and according to swifto, hcg 250ui twice a week keep u producing natural test and balls functional... can someone confirm??

**vbiros** · 02-09-2011, 09:19 PM

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**Flacco** · 02-09-2011, 09:42 PM

I started juicing at 18 without ever using proper pct. I regret it. If you're stubborn/hardheaded like me... no one is gonna convince you not to if you have already decided in your own mind. I'm still an amature/plebe myself. All I can say, is do your research before doing anything. Be as safe as possible. I think your original question was diff between Cyp and En for water retention right? I have never been on a cutting cycle, but I've used both Cyp and En quite a few times. Never really saw any difference in either of the two. They both felt like they did the same job to me. I could be wrong... but maybe encorporating proviron will keep the water retention down? Like I said, I have limited knowledge myself... Just my two cents. I'm sure a Vet can give ya the right answer.

**vbiros** · 02-09-2011, 10:05 PM

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**RaZr** · 02-09-2011, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by smashingbox

What? The advice I was given, and according to swifto, hcg 250ui twice a week keep u producing natural test and balls functional... can someone confirm??

Keeps the balls from atrophy but it doesnt keep producing test

**smashingbox** · 02-09-2011, 11:34 PM

Not according to this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...dated-08-12-09)

**RaZr** · 02-09-2011, 11:39 PM

Can you please copy and paste the section that says HCG prevents the shut down of your natural test production?

**RaZr** · 02-09-2011, 11:40 PM

NVM I found what your reading, But it DOES not keep your body producing test it just prevents testicular atrophy otherwise why would you need any other pct?

I'm just going to stop responding to threads because I know nothing and those posts go against what I have been told here on this board.

**marcus300** · 02-09-2011, 11:49 PM

You don't need steriods to achieve your goals and your way to young for them anyway, shutting down a developing hpta isn't good, you can cause it to never run at peak again which can develop into going on hrt for life, you really don't want problems with erections and low libido at your age. Listen to the correct advice and not what you want to hear.

**JohnnyVegas** · 02-10-2011, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by RaZr

NVM I found what your reading, But it DOES not keep your body producing test it just prevents testicular atrophy otherwise why would you need any other pct?

I'm just going to stop responding to threads because I know nothing and those posts go against what I have been told here on this board.

My doc put me on HCG as part of my TRT with the explanation that it would keep the body producing. Granted, I am on a small dose of Test (200mg/week) compared to a cycle.

And there is this:
When exogenous AAS are put into the male body, natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). This causes testicular atrophy, among other things. hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.[23]

High levels of AASs, that mimic the body's natural testosterone, trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone.[24] In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.